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I wonder what the gross margins for the Taycan look like. Nissan was getting killed on the leaf for years, Tesla seems like the only automaker actually making money on electric cars.
But they don’t make money. The “profitable” quarters keep getting bumped to the right.
The amount of reservations for the Taycan were expecting prices like $50000 lower. You can expect the number of sales to drop.
If they sell a $100k version, sure that will sell.
But will it drive less than 200 miles?
It doesn’t matter. Porsche isn’t a volume brand. They can make up a price and thousands of people will pay it and it goes straight to Porsche pocket’s as margin.
It doesn’t matter. Porsche isn’t a volume brand. They can make up a price and thousands of people will pay it and it goes straight to Porsche pocket’s as margin.
Yes, and that's Tesla's value proposition. Yes, the S's design is old now but for the performance and range it offers, why throw your money away and line Porsche's pockets?
It’s already set the Nurburgring lap record for a 4 door EV, 2 seconds behind the new M5. What were you saying about it being slower? What about the 29 straight back to back 0-125mph runs it did and didn’t effect it’s range much at all. Did them all in 9 seconds.
They already figured out the cooling system. They’ve also already have 30k sold. This is the top model the turbo and turbo s, other less variants of it will be out after.
The acceleration is slower (read the article).
The track argument is a very tired one IMO because it doesn't reflect everyday driving conditions at all. Same goes for the back to back 0-125 mph runs.
If you're going to take your car to the track often then go for the Taycan. Most people do not fall in that category.
I think the Taycan will beat the Model S in most real world applications as it's performance is repeatable. The Tesla can hit 0-60 in 2.3 seconds... Once, maybe 2 or 3 times, and that's on a full charge. But then the performance drops off, and it starts doing it in the mid 3's, at which point, the Taycan beats it with repeatable 3.2 sec times.
We'll have to see, but Porsche has long had a reputation for hitting above their weight with their cars. Just look at the 911, the 918, etc. Less horsepower than rivals, less cost, but manages to win against the best the world has to offer time and time again.
Actually they never have. They took "reservations" but never said they were sold out of anything.
Porsche is doing what Apple does with each iphone release. They give a handful of iphones to each retailer so they are "sold out" the first week.
Wow, everything you just said about the Taycan, is exactly what everybody else says about Tesla.
Even the part about “but who cares about lap times, that’s not everyday driving” as if Ludacris Mode is much more reflective of everyday driving. Even hating on early reservations. Amazing.
How does it feel being in the other side?
I think the Taycan will beat the Model S in most real world applications as it's performance is repeatable. The Tesla can hit 0-60 in 2.3 seconds... Once, maybe 2 or 3 times, and that's on a full charge. But then the performance drops off, and it starts doing it in the mid 3's, at which point, the Taycan beats it with repeatable 3.2 sec times.
We'll have to see, but Porsche has long had a reputation for hitting above their weight with their cars. Just look at the 911, the 918, etc. Less horsepower than rivals, less cost, but manages to win against the best the world has to offer time and time again.
I doubt most buyers will care about repeatable performance since even a 3.5 second 0-60 is nauseating.
I would look forward to future, cheaper variants of the Taycan. The Turbo S Taycan at 186k is such a steep premium over the 100k P100d, regardless of how nice the interior is or how repeatable peak performance is.
Yes, and that's Tesla's value proposition. Yes, the S's design is old now but for the performance and range it offers, why throw your money away and line Porsche's pockets?
Porsche is a real automaker. People know it’ll be around for years. There’s a dealer network (my nearest Tesla dealer is 3 hours away, while Porsche is about 10 miles away) and they have a good reputation. They don’t attract the value segment as they don’t really need to. They also have a good racing pedigree which helps their case as a status symbol.
It helps that their interior looks like an expensive car and not like it was designed at an Apple studio.
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