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Old 06-07-2010, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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I disagree with you.

This disaster effects ALL of us. BP will work their hardest when there is a profit to be had. That is capitalism 101. There is nothing but LOSS to be had for them in cleaning this up and thus no incentive to work their hardest. If the government doesn't push them, they will not work 100% on cleaning the spill up.
Oh, OK. So the government should jump in only if a company can no longer make a profit? General Motors could also no longer make a profit. More jobs stood to be lost by letting them go under than stands to be lost by letting the oil spill out and ruin the fishing industry.

Anyway, they will be out of business if they do not clean up this spill. I would think that would be incentive enough.

Regardless, even if they go out of business and some birds die, that does not mean the government should be involved.

NO government involvement in private business! Only national defense. Why is that so hard to understand? Once you let the government control some things, they will want to control them all. Doesn't anyone agree with this?
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh, OK. So the government should jump in only if a company can no longer make a profit?

They will be out of business if they do not clean up this spill. I would think that would be incentive enough.

Anyway, even if they go out of business and some birds die, that does not mean the government should be involved.

NO government involvement in private business! Only national defense. Why is that so hard to understand? Once you let the government control some things, they will want to control them all. Doesn't anyone agree with this?
Then why do we have the MMS who (doesn't) regulate them and the EPA who (doesn't) react to contamination on our shores and a host of other regulatory bodies who are all employed on our tax dollar?

If it were "only" national defense our government would be much, much smaller. But since we employ these folks, why not ask them to do their job ?
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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The coastline is not BP's responsibility; closing up that spewing hole in the Gulf is BP's responsibility.
OK, I can maybe somewhat agree with that. Why are those who call themselves Republicans calling for Obama to call in the feds and help plug the leak, though?

Anyway, I do not agree the federal government has a duty to protect our shores from oil; only invading forces. National defense is the only thing the government should be involved in.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Then why do we have the MMS who (doesn't) regulate them and the EPA who (doesn't) react to contamination on our shores and a host of other regulatory bodies who are all employed on our tax dollar?

If it were "only" national defense our government would be much, much smaller. But since we employ these folks, why not ask them to do their job ?
None of those agencies and jobs should exist. Start voting for REAL libertarians and/or conservatives like Ron and Rand Paul and you will see a change.

Those agencies also existed and got our tax dollars under Bush and the "Republican" Congress.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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I disagree with you.

This disaster effects ALL of us. BP will work their hardest when there is a profit to be had. That is capitalism 101. There is nothing but LOSS to be had for them in cleaning this up and thus no incentive to work their hardest. If the government doesn't push them, they will not work 100% on cleaning the spill up.
True.I saw on the news tonight that BP has spent millions learning how to drill wells that offer greater risks to our planet but almost nothing on improving ways to deal with spills. That should tell us something
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I don't think so.

The government can do nothing better than private industry. Let BP shut it off and clean it up on their own.

Anyone asking "where is Obama" is not a TRUE libertarian or even a true conservative. We did not want Obama meddling in BP and their operations before the spill, and we do not want him meddling in it now.

Government sucks for the most part and should stay the hell out of business. They will get things back on track eventually.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:47 PM
 
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OK, I can maybe somewhat agree with that. Why are those who call themselves Republicans calling for Obama to call in the feds and help plug the leak, though?

Anyway, I do not agree the federal government has a duty to protect our shores from oil; only invading forces. National defense is the only thing the government should be involved in.
Because as laws stand today (and why are taxes get collected to fund this) the Federal government is in charge of the waters being drilled in case of any emergency situation. Ball was dropped, things need to be fixed, media gave a pass, move on.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:35 PM
 
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Oh, OK. So the government should jump in only if a company can no longer make a profit? General Motors could also no longer make a profit. More jobs stood to be lost by letting them go under than stands to be lost by letting the oil spill out and ruin the fishing industry.
That's different. We're not debating a bail out here. We're debating oil washing up on our shores. The Federal Government has a responsibility to make sure it's cleaned up.
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Old 06-09-2010, 07:05 AM
 
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The federal government is obligated, by law, to deal with the mess. Let BP deal with the well site.

What do you think all those federal agencies are for?

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Yes! Unbridled private industry cannot be trusted to clean this mess without governmental oversight.
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Yep, it is in federal land.
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Correct, this is outside of the states responsibility and is considered a disaster, therefore it is the JOB of the federal government to act quickly and to do whatever it can to stop the disaster from getting worse.

Therefore the President is totally responsible for the overseeing of this mess and has the total responsibility to find someone who can stop the leak and keep the oil from reaching the shores.

That is what leadership is all about, knowing what to do and when to do it and who to contact to get something done.

He has failed us miserably.
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Don't we pay taxes to fund a Federal Government who has the duty and authority to protect the shores ?

The coastline is not BP's responsibility; closing up that spewing hole in the Gulf is BP's responsibility.



Repugs advocating BIGGER government....MORE government control.


And, of course, absolving their God, Corporation, of any responsibility.


Repugs want to raise taxes so the government (us) will pay for the cleanup and damage ......

Repugs want OUR money to go to those on the coast who are losing their jobs and livliehood.......spreading the wealth.....as long as their God, Corporation, doesn't have to pay.



IronyHypocrisy.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Houston, texas
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Just like other bureaucracies within the government;you have too few people trying to do too many things.As a result things slip thru the cracks.Unfortunately the lives of the men and women who work in the GOM are at stake, just as it was on horizen.When MMS and the coast guard finally start holding the feet of the companies that work in the gulf to the fire, holding not only the companies but individuals accountable, and put some real teeth into fines and sanctions, then you will see results.Until that day comes you will have company men, client reps and companies in general running roughshod over rules and regulations that are in place to keep people safe, and sacrificing the safety of those workers for the almighty dollar.A hands off approach to business is only workable when there is a demonstrable and consistent culture of ethical responsibilty in a company as opposed to its legal it must be ok or if we can get away with it must be ok to do.Civic responsibility and ethical action comes before personel or corporate wants or needs.
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