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Old 05-29-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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PORTLAND, Ore. -- Gary Pfleider II served his country for six years before he became a member of the new generation of disabled veterans.

Pfleider, a former Oregon National Guard soldier, was shot by a sniper while on patrol in Iraq in September 2007.

Soldier shot in Iraq billed for missing military gear | KOMO News - Breaking News, Sports, Traffic and Weather - Seattle, Washington | Local & Regional
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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Doesn't surprise me considering how strict they are with record keeping. They account for every item, and I mean every little item.
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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Will someone explain to me how a soldier who is wounded in the field is supposed to have the composure to start making a checklist of his gear while writhing in pain or incapacitated?
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Will someone explain to me how a soldier who is wounded in the field is supposed to have the composure to start making a checklist of his gear while writhing in pain or incapacitated?
That is what happens when you deal with a bloated government, they follow the regs, and the people tasked with inventory and charging for lost items are not allowed to decide on their own and make exceptions. The guy prob went straight to the hospital, and someone else inventoried his equipment for him. Which is why I do not like having to work with the government, you usually give up trying to fight the system, by the time you could find someone who can make special arrangements or exception its years later. I knew people trying to settle a pay or records problems and it can take over three years.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:03 AM
 
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Will someone explain to me how a soldier who is wounded in the field is supposed to have the composure to start making a checklist of his gear while writhing in pain or incapacitated?
I don't believe he is expected nor will he ultimately be held accountable for it , AND if he is held accountable for it someone needs to change that pronto and reimburse any soldier that has already paid for lost items. His problem which is a common occurrence everywhere in the government is red tape. It will probably end up costing more in administrative costs and his costs to get it straightened out than what the equipment cost.
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:16 AM
 
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Maybe he is a gay soldier. That has to be it.
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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send the bill to one D Rumsfeld
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I don't believe he is expected nor will he ultimately be held accountable for it , AND if he is held accountable for it someone needs to change that pronto and reimburse any soldier that has already paid for lost items. His problem which is a common occurrence everywhere in the government is red tape. It will probably end up costing more in administrative costs and his costs to get it straightened out than what the equipment cost.
He won't be held accountable for it, you are correct. This is the "indignation" crap that the publications like to put out to rile up folks and help their sagging subscription rates.

The military has strict controls on all issued items, and is required to account for everything issued when a member leaves their service. The process is generally an automated inventory, and when the member responds to the reimbursement letter it is with a copy of the document validating that they were "disability separated". At that point, the stuff is just written off the inventory list.

That is the process folks, I've seen hundreds of those exchanges. It isn't a big deal.

If DoD didn't do this, the papers would just write about the lack of control over the stuff paid for by taxpayers, and dopey posters would just turn it into a political football.
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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He won't be held accountable for it, you are correct. This is the "indignation" crap that the publications like to put out to rile up folks and help their sagging subscription rates.

The military has strict controls on all issued items, and is required to account for everything issued when a member leaves their service. The process is generally an automated inventory, and when the member responds to the reimbursement letter it is with a copy of the document validating that they were "disability separated". At that point, the stuff is just written off the inventory list.

That is the process folks, I've seen hundreds of those exchanges. It isn't a big deal.

If DoD didn't do this, the papers would just write about the lack of control over the stuff paid for by taxpayers, and dopey posters would just turn it into a political football.
Okay, I appreciate the explanation. So, this in case, is it safe to say that the wounded soldier was just somewhat neglectful / unaware as to what procedures to follow when it came to alerting DoD as to why his equipment was missing?
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:13 PM
 
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The article states he already did that and they are docking his disability check.

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The federal government has been deducting money from his disability check each month to cover the billed costs. And Pfleider said the feds withheld his tax return for the same reason.
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But Pfleider has already done that. He still has a copy of his sworn statement, which he signed and submitted at the Albany, Oregon armory in February. The former soldier fears his case is lost in a pile of paperwork between Oregon and Washington.

"Honestly, I do. I think it's just sitting somewhere on somebody's desk at Fort Lewis, and they just don't want to mess with it because they don't think it's a big enough issue," he said.
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