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Yes the Money Cartel is the only group beyond looting, but that does not give a pass to the other looters in society. "Business" is no more evil than "Government". "Bankers" are no more evil than people getting government "entitlements".
I understand your frustration, and from a very rudimentary standpoint, I'd agree. There are scumbags, rich and poor.
But, what cannot be clearly calculated is just how many of the poor are poor buy their own hand.
We live within a system that could best be described as a "winner take all" game. In such a scenario, there has to be losers. Now, consider that the game itself is fixed so that the same winners continue winning, and the same losers continue losing ... I don't think you can say that the losers are just as responsible (just as evil) as the winners.
Secondly, with this "stacked deck" in which those with the wealth are both above the law, and also the authors of the laws, there is a distinct difference.
The financial system that created the "entitlement" system to take care of the losers didn't do this out of the kindness of their hearts or out of some guilt complex ... oh no ... they created this welfare state to create the huge deficits which solidifies their control ... after all, the "money" is actually created out of thin air ... it "costs" them nothing, but does benefit them far more than those receiving the handouts.
This class of individuals include the working poor ... as well as the lazy good for nothings. And those hard workers also includes all of the very hard working people who worked all their lives only to retire in abject poverty. Some have had their pension funds absconded with ... others lost lots of money in fraudulent investments, and so forth. So, it's not as simple as lumping them all together and claiming they are just as responsible as those that created the mess to begin with.
The fact is ... the slaves have been trained to be slaves. They don't know any other way to be ... their parents were slaves, as their parents were, so what do you expect their children to be?
Some break the cycle, but most don't. Most have no proper guidance, either from parents or educational institutions. They are the product of their environment, rather than the creator of it.
Those that recognize the evil of the welfare system who have long wanted to get rid of it, have been the very one's condemned and demonized for their obvious lack of compassion, when in reality, it has been the proponents of the system that represent the true evil.
Do you think it's an accident or incompetence that welfare programs are structured to keep people from bettering their situations? These programs penalize the very people who want to work ... make X number of dollars, and your assistance goes away. But behave irresponsibly, and your benefits increase (don't work ... stay home ... have more children don't let the father live there, get more money). This isn't an accident. It's by design.
The system allows the very wealthy and the corporations to pay nothing, while reaping the lions share of the wealth, keeping that wealth in their hands ... and most of them think hard labor would be synonymous with mowing their own grass or taking out their on garbage.
Those who pay for the welfare state are the middle income people who work 50+ hours a week, who mow their own grass, and have to work hard just to maintain their lifestyle amongst the ever increasing pressures of higher taxes, and higher prices. ... They are on the treadmill ... making just enough to have those nicer things in life .. but never enough to actually get off the treadmill.
Do you see the similarity? The poor remain poor, the middle are stuck in their roles too, and the top 1/2% enjoy no challenge or threat to their position of dominance because those in the middle always blame the losers for preventing their accent.
Class warfare is conducted in the same manner as real warfare. The instigators of both types NEVER actually participate in the wars they instigate. But they do reap all of the rewards, while everyone else suffers the consequences.
It didn't convince me! So it isn't in the least bit "cogent". Just technically correct...
I don't think I can actually be faulted for your failure to be convinced. You're apparently off on some doomsday adventure where everything is worth nothing, rotten to the core, and destined by some myterious agency to ignominious failure and collapse. Hope your seatbelt was securely fastened for that flight into fancy. Meanwhile, your descriptions of everything are wrong, and hopefully the level of distraction that you were driven to in this post is a sufficient demonstration of your irrationality as to lead others to conclude that they should in fact not pay any attention to anything that you have said.
Investigate all top earners tax returns and business records to check for fraud.
Raise the estate tax to 80-90% on assets in excess of 25 Million dollars or so.
Raise income tax on incomes over 10 Million dollars a year to 80-90%.
Limit charitable deductions to 35% of an estates wealth.
Close all loopholes.
Tax loan proceeds over 10 million dollars per year that are not directly reinvested into business at 80-90%.
Raise capital gains to 80-90% on amounts in excess of 10 million dollars a year. with a lifetime maximum of 50 million dollars or so.
Drop capital gains on all amounts under 2 million per year, up to lifetime trigger of 10 Million.
Eliminate all taxes on income under $100,000.00 per year.
Use Tax proceeds to pay off national debts and the deficit.
Require a balanced budget. exception for declared war only.
Make all higher education and trade school educations free.
Put a 10-25% import tax on all china imports until trade is in balance.
Not written in stone, and not so far from the way it was about 50 yrs ago.
It is all Legal, It is just Politics.
Any of these guidelines for collecting revenues for government, simply feeds a beast that needs to be starved.
You could eliminate the deficit and 1/3 of the debt overnight by eliminating "tax exempt foundations" which is where 80% of the wealth is buried and shielded from taxation (Trillions).
Coupled with strict adherence to the Constitution, (read: repeal the Federal Reserve Act) and implementing the proper and legal forms of taxation, the majority of the problems we face today would disappear, and personal income taxes and payroll taxes on most Americans would be eliminated.
End the endless wars ... reduce the size of government ... and you don't need all of the unconstitutional taxes. Let's stop asking "where should the money come from" and start declaring that such money is not needed, nor will it be provided!
Last edited by GuyNTexas; 04-09-2010 at 03:39 PM..
I don't think I can actually be faulted for your failure to be convinced. You're apparently off on some doomsday adventure where everything is worth nothing, rotten to the core, and destined by some myterious agency to ignominious failure and collapse. Hope your seatbelt was securely fastened for that flight into fancy. Meanwhile, your descriptions of everything are wrong, and hopefully the level of distraction that you were driven to in this post is a sufficient demonstration of your irrationality as to lead others to conclude that they should in fact not pay any attention to anything that you have said.
The information stands firmly under the power of it's own merits .. and can be verified by anyone with fundamental reading and comprehension skills.
For the rest, they may join you at the beach, where I understand one can find plenty of sand in which to bury your heads.
I'll wager that it's now closer to 50-50 with all this unemployment.
When it gets to 60-40 with the 40% paying taxes then the system will implode like the PIIGS. Immigration reform can easily send the numbers that way.
So we have a while..enjoy the entitlement while it lasts because it won't last indefinitely as being proved now in European countries.
You could eliminate the deficit and 1/3 of the debt overnight by eliminating "tax exempt foundations" which is where 80% of the wealth is buried and shielded from taxation (Trillions).
Coupled with strict adherence to the Constitution, (read: repeal the Federal Reserve Act) and implementing the proper and legal forms of taxation, the majority of the problems we face today would disappear, and personal income taxes and payroll taxes on most Americans would be eliminated.
We are where we are. Consider closely what I suggested. Think about how it affects all involved.
Do we continue to play Monopoly with real peoples lives?
I understand your frustration, and from a very rudimentary standpoint, I'd agree. There are scumbags, rich and poor.
But, what cannot be clearly calculated is just how many of the poor are poor buy their own hand.
We live within a system that could best be described as a "winner take all" game. In such a scenario, there has to be losers. Now, consider that the game itself is fixed so that the same winners continue winning, and the same losers continue losing ... I don't think you can say that the losers are just as responsible (just as evil) as the winners.
Secondly, with this "stacked deck" in which those with the wealth are both above the law, and also the authors of the laws, there is a distinct difference.
The financial system that created the "entitlement" system to take care of the losers didn't do this out of the kindness of their hearts or out of some guilt complex ... oh no ... they created this welfare state to create the huge deficits which solidifies their control ... after all, the "money" is actually created out of thin air ... it "costs" them nothing, but does benefit them far more than those receiving the handouts.
This class of individuals include the working poor ... as well as the lazy good for nothings. And those hard workers also includes all of the very hard working people who worked all their lives only to retire in abject poverty. Some have had their pension funds absconded with ... others lost lots of money in fraudulent investments, and so forth. So, it's not as simple as lumping them all together and claiming they are just as responsible as those that created the mess to begin with.
The fact is ... the slaves have been trained to be slaves. They don't know any other way to be ... their parents were slaves, as their parents were, so what do you expect their children to be?
Some break the cycle, but most don't. Most have no proper guidance, either from parents or educational institutions. They are the product of their environment, rather than the creator of it.
Those that recognize the evil of the welfare system who have long wanted to get rid of it, have been the very one's condemned and demonized for their obvious lack of compassion, when in reality, it has been the proponents of the system that represent the true evil.
Do you think it's an accident or incompetence that welfare programs are structured to keep people from bettering their situations? These programs penalize the very people who want to work ... make X number of dollars, and your assistance goes away. But behave irresponsibly, and your benefits increase (don't work ... stay home ... have more children don't let the father live there, get more money). This isn't an accident. It's by design.
The system allows the very wealthy and the corporations to pay nothing, while reaping the lions share of the wealth, keeping that wealth in their hands ... and most of them think hard labor would be synonymous with mowing their own grass or taking out their on garbage.
Those who pay for the welfare state are the middle income people who work 50+ hours a week, who mow their own grass, and have to work hard just to maintain their lifestyle amongst the ever increasing pressures of higher taxes, and higher prices. ... They are on the treadmill ... making just enough to have those nicer things in life .. but never enough to actually get off the treadmill.
Do you see the similarity? The poor remain poor, the middle are stuck in their roles too, and the top 1/2% enjoy no challenge or threat to their position of dominance because those in the middle always blame the losers for preventing their accent.
Class warfare is conducted in the same manner as real warfare. The instigators of both types NEVER actually participate in the wars they instigate. But they do reap all of the rewards, while everyone else suffers the consequences.
Insightful, intelligent post. Can't rep you, had to say it here.
Those who disagree have limited vision and experience, or are already at the beach with butts in the air. (great line )
Maybe that is because the minimum wage is too high and we don't need no stinkin unions.
I guess you don't agree with minimun standards for health and safety in the workplace, including mines, don't agree with worker's compensation when a worker is injured due to a company's error or fault and are OK with child labor and working 7 days a week. Without the unions we would have non of this.
Most of the people I know do not want anything to do with participating in government but are upset with paying anyone else to do the work.
IMHO (as I have pointed out in numerous other posts) 85% of the American people should be exempt from Federal Income Tax. The revenue should be collected from the remaining 15% with a exponentially progressive (from 10% to 90%) tax on all (salary, dividends, capital gains, inheritance, etc.) income from all sources. Sufficient revenue should be collected each year to pay current government expenses plus retire the Federal debt in 15 years. This might be a tough 15 years for our plutocrats but the country would wind up much better off.
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