The Founding Fathers Litany (enemy, Jesus, cost, rating)
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We hear time and time again: what would the founding fathers have thought of this or that, the answer is, who cares!!!!!, they had their time and it is long gone, they lived in a very different time, when our country was still quite primitive, they were flawed individuals, just like the ones we have today, some were slave owners, and had slave mistresses, the human family has developed faster in the past 200 years than in the previous 2000 years, only basic political precepts remain valid, we have to live in the present with new ideas, otherwise we'll become obsolete. The Republicans have a big dilemma; How to cling to old ideas while attracting
the voters and leaders of the future, it seems like a losing battle.....
You wish. Excuse me if I don't take seriously a pro-amnesty supporter's post encouraging the US Constitution be chucked out the window as anything other than a means to achieve a personal agenda.
I sort of agree. I don't hear people saying to "chuck the Constitution out the window" but seriously I don't know or care what any FOUNDING FATHERS would think about anything that effects my life today. We have in place a plan to interpret the Constitution to apply to our society, thats all we get. Those FOUNDING FATHERS wouldn't have a clue how to deal with some of the issues facing us today.
Who cares? Not many. That is why we are now, and have been for over a century, continually accelerating to our own demise, into the worldwide system of oppression and human slavery that is collectivism.
Keep in mind a lot of these people now citing the founding fathers are getting their views from a massive revisionist named Beck. Most, much like Palin, probably can't name more than a few unless Beck said their name. I know if they could Hamilton and Franklin would spit in the face of Beck for soiling their name.
How can some say or desire to remove the good names of our Founding Fathers? They had great vision and the passion and the humilty and the gaul to fight an Empire and win, to set forth in the world a new type of nation. One governed through the consent of the citizenry. What a hopeful and profound act they undertook, for hundreds of millions of people. People from every continent came here to make a life, to escape all types of persecution of the Old World.
They created a nation built of simple English Common law. The rights of man to life, liberty and happiness. The avoidance of religion to offset the great troubles that had plagued Europe for a millenium.
We are but the legacy of these men and women. They gave us the gift to govern ourselves, for our own benefit and the benefits of our neighbors. For teh first time in history, men and women took into their own hands their own destiny. We are but a product of those efforts.
The right-wing and meny religious conservatives are doomed to NEVER understand that.
There's a difference between respecting the founding fathers and understanding their actions in the social and historical context it requires and the outrageous lionizing and apotheosizing that the Right does. They were fallible men, several (Jefferson) with some severe flaws, and we would do well to show more caution in just casually evoking what we think "they would do", since obviously we live in a far different world.
What would Ben Franklin do? and What would Alexander Hamilton do? have become the new What would Jesus do?, and it has been to the detriment of our political discourse.
We hear time and time again: what would the founding fathers have thought of this or that, the answer is, who cares!!!!!, they had their time and it is long gone, they lived in a very different time, when our country was still quite primitive, they were flawed individuals, just like the ones we have today, some were slave owners, and had slave mistresses, the human family has developed faster in the past 200 years than in the previous 2000 years, only basic political precepts remain valid, we have to live in the present with new ideas, otherwise we'll become obsolete. The Republicans have a big dilemma; How to cling to old ideas while attracting
the voters and leaders of the future, it seems like a losing battle.....
Nonsense!
The same Founders who owned slaves and fathered children with slave mistresses created a constitutional form of government and a Bill of Rights so incompatible with slavery that it forced the end of the practice.
The flawed individuals who created the Constitution understood they and all people were flawed. To control the excesses produced by those flaws, they affirmed that our fundamental rights came from God and that everyone was created equal by God, and since these rights were granted by God, no human may take them away.
No alternative exist to our system that provides the same level of freedom, self-determination and dignity for the ordinary citizen. The socialist state comes at a price, and when the entire cost of the loss of freedom is applied to the benefits of the nanny state, the cost is too high for people who have known personal autonomy.
Furthermore, you misunderstand the source of political change in America. Those who hold office can never impose change from the top down if the people are unwilling to accept it. We have just witnessed one of the greatest efforts in our history to force unwanted change onto the citizens. The result is an even greater backlash from the people. Even liberal commentators have conceded the government has picked a fight with the voters it can only lose.
The same Founders who owned slaves and fathered children with slave mistresses created a constitutional form of government and a Bill of Rights so incompatible with slavery that it forced the end of the practice.
The flawed individuals who created the Constitution understood they and all people were flawed. To control the excesses produced by those flaws, they affirmed that our fundamental rights came from God and that everyone was created equal by God, and since these rights were granted by God, no human may take them away.
Wow! Profoundly Stated!!!
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