Health Care debate: An outsiders observation (interview, CNN, nationalist, Obama)
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Bull McCabe, our health care delivery in this country has been a patch work affair for decades. The reason we have medicare, VA, medicaid, American Indian medical care is because the major insurance companies did not and will not cover those who qualify for those programs stated above, that is why those programs exist, they contain the most high risk for the insurance companies who refuse to cover them. What is happening now is the price for delivering healthcare is climbing rapidly forcing many middle class out of insurance, both individual and group coverage (individual are policies bought by an individual opposed to an employer providing coverage--group coverage).
The insurance industry has been gaming Americans for years such as taking advantage of the 50 State regulatory agencies that regulate insurance in their respective state. If the insurance company did not like the way it was regulated in a particular State it would pack its bags and leave that State in order to squeeze the citizens of another State. Health insurance companies also enjoy the Anti-Trust exemption that allows these companies to collude and fix prices. These insurances companies have been allowed to buy out their competition leaving less competitors. Many of these insurance companies allowed these bought businesses to keep their old name giving the impression that competition is alive and well when in-fact there are only 5 major insurance companies scamming millions of Americans.
I do have an issue with the Fed forcing people to buy a product from a for profit company (Health Insurance Company) or get in trouble with the law. This was the deal insurance companies made with the federal government. The bill that was passed will see many changes I believe in the 4 years when this bill is fully activated.
Initially this bothered me, too. But what it really requires is that everyone who is going to benefit from the health care system has to contribute to it. And I think that's not only reasonable but it should be expected.
That's not true...people are mad because the health care law shows us that the government doesn't care about what the majority of people want, and we are forced to have health insurance now or be fined which has never happened before....we have never been fined for not buying a product from government...we are mad because the government is playing like they are our mom and dad....people see the anger and dismiss it as racism or religious fundamentalism....well the government is now targeting anyone who has issues with their decisions and ignoring the real issues we have here like homelessness and illegal drug gangs and people living in our borders illegally..instead they fight a war on terror but yet leave the borders wide open here for anyone to come in
In my opinion - I wish people stop talking as if the people around them are the majority of the people. That’s what is wrong with the US now. You say the gov. doesn't care about the majority of the people!! I think that was true until Obama got into office. The govn't was always concerned about the rich!!
Maybe they see it as racism because the N word is being used every time someone opens their mouth or maybe when they're spitting on black Democratic Party members. What does that have to do with health care?
The problem is the behavior - that's what you’re teaching your kids how to behave when something doesn't go in their favor!! Hate!! Many years the poor has to pay- high taxes in CT and their school system stinks, their town roads are terrible, and not to mention the job market isn’t fair, they can't get any help what's so ever. But, out of that little pay comes out lots of taxes. I rather help pay for people to stay healthy than my money to go in some congress man pockets that doesn't even care about the people in their town!!!
Control that’s all it’s about State to State!! How can ignorant, prejudice, selfish people be in control of states and be fair?? We had that and look where we are at. Obama didn’t put us here, Bush did. We were in a recession before he took office, remember? I didn’t see this kind of anger!! You prefer the gov. to bail out banks so they can spend numerous money in bonuses then to help insure someone’s life. What is this world coming too?
The great divide you see concerning health care in America is really not about health care, Bull. Currently here in America we are experiencing a schism among the people over the general direction the country is going. The Health care issue was the spark that lit the fire. Conceptually, there is a faction who feels that the health of a nation is determined by the health of it's citizens and government has a mandate to insure the general welfare of it's citizens. On the other hand there is a faction that feels that any government intervention into their lives is an infringement on their personal freedoms. This basic philosphical difference has become polarized to the extreme. The general debate has deteriorated to extreme labels for both sides of the issue. On the one hand, those who would bring all citizens into the fold of health care are branded communists and socialists while those who would deny health care regulated by a federal entity are branded as right wing reactionaries and fascists.
If the truth be told, the issue transcends health care reform for even though the health care reform bill that was just passed by a democratic adinistration is basicly a "cut & paste" from a similar bill proposed by republicans of previous administrations the opponents of the bill have branded the supporters as "enemies of the state". This provides them the cover and justification they need to oppose any and all legislation proposed by the current administration. You are witnessing nothing less than the total breakdown of the american system of government due to total, political partisanship.
As you stand outside the fray, you should be able to see the forest from the trees. I'd be interested in your observations.
3. The public did not want it. The polls all showed this and they passed it anyway. Congress should speak for their constituents and they did not this time.
The public also didn't want Bush to be President in 2000. But I guess majority rules only in certain cases.
The public also didn't want Bush to be President in 2000. But I guess majority rules only in certain cases.
It is not certain that Gore would have won Fla in 2000, there was a problem with the count. One thing is certain, the US Supreme Court, or five of them, did not want to find out. They overrode the Fla Supreme Court decision to recount the votes and resolve the question.
I can't recall a time that a change in US policy has been so divisive. I'm not from the US so I'm not directly affected by the debate. Can someone point out why the Health Care reform is such a hostile topic (for both sides). I've heard the word Socialism being used a lot but my understanding is (I could be wrong) that the US already has social policies i.e Medicare, social security, and public schools. Is it because there is a direct increase in taxes on the middle class to provide health care?
Because this bill only expands a broken system and now give the government control over one sixth the US economy. Our government does not have a good tract record for honesty and keeping their hands off the funds. This will be bankrupt in 4 years. I don't think it is so much an issue of a program being a social program, some have witnessed the fleecing of too many programs already. So our leadership drives off in brand new luxury cars and enjoy life in their many luxury homes while the people bleed more and more taxes. Kind of like what England did to you and Scottland. So....go Braveheart!!!
It is not certain that Gore would have won Fla in 2000, there was a problem with the count. One thing is certain, the US Supreme Court, or five of them, did not want to find out. They overrode the Fla Supreme Court decision to recount the votes and resolve the question.
It should be pointed out that Al Gore won the majority national popular vote but lost the electoral votes, with Florida's electoral votes being the decider.
I can't recall a time that a change in US policy has been so divisive. I'm not from the US so I'm not directly affected by the debate. Can someone point out why the Health Care reform is such a hostile topic (for both sides). I've heard the word Socialism being used a lot but my understanding is (I could be wrong) that the US already has social policies i.e Medicare, social security, and public schools. Is it because there is a direct increase in taxes on the middle class to provide health care?
It is because this is a government mandate to purchase a product just for being alive and in the USA, i.e. participate in government mandated commerce, that it is so devisive.
It is taking from the people their right to privacy of their medical records and placing those records in the direct unrestricted access, without a warrant (4th Amendment violation), to public employees and government officials.
It is the usury of a federal tax enforcement agency to be the strong arm of enforcement of this mandate, resulting in fines for those who fail to comply. Unpaid IRS fines then potentially lead to the lein and seizure of personal property by the IRS to settle the fine/debt.
The social entitlement programs you listed are not mandated participation if one does not work or does not own property (thus not paying into the system). Public education is provided for in our Constitution and fees are paid locally through county property taxes not through federal taxes. If one does not own real estate they do not pay for public schools.
The devisiveness is the shift of power taking it from the citizen and his/her personal responsibility for health/well being/ and life in general and placing it in the hands of the government. We in the US are citizens from whom the consent to govern is given. It is different from being a subject of a government who exerts power over the people.
Since Mr. Obama has occupied the office of POTUS he has been on an all out power grab, spending the US into unprecidented debt while expanding the size of governement, creating new entitlement programs, and nationalizing private industry. That is why you are hearing screams of Socialism.
The HC takeover will lead to 1-payer socialized medicine in the US, there is no doubt about it. The way this government mandate is set up and the new restrictions placed on insurance companies and physicians make it designed to fail.
Initially this bothered me, too. But what it really requires is that everyone who is going to benefit from the health care system has to contribute to it. And I think that's not only reasonable but it should be expected.
Actually no, everyone will not be contributing. The producers in this country will be forced to support more who fail to produce via Medicaid than ever before. Apparently you haven't read the new law.
I can't recall a time that a change in US policy has been so divisive. I'm not from the US so I'm not directly affected by the debate. Can someone point out why the Health Care reform is such a hostile topic (for both sides). I've heard the word Socialism being used a lot but my understanding is (I could be wrong) that the US already has social policies i.e Medicare, social security, and public schools. Is it because there is a direct increase in taxes on the middle class to provide health care?
I'm going to take your question a few steps further than the other respondents, because it goes even deeper than what has been legitimately discussed by some, so far.
The first case to be made is that of it's unconstitutionality, which is certainly legitimate on several fronts, but the big picture is being missed in the debate. This HC Reform is just another volley in a multi pronged attack geared toward the total destruction of the American economy and the establishment of an authoritarian police state under the guise of Healthcare. But healthcare has absolutely nothing to do with this legislation.
Over the past 10 years or so, the United States has become a lawless rogue state internationally, along with it's ally Israel. The fundamental overturning of the principles of international and constitutional law ... the invasion of sovereign countries based on lies, the systematic use of torture, and the unending support of the continued atrocities committed in our name by Israel has already rendered the constitution null and void, though much of this has been hidden from view by a controlled mass media. The American people understand very little about what their government is actually doing overseas, and don't really seem to care much if they do, because they see no immediate impact to themselves.
In concert with this lawlessness, there has been a slow and steady (unrecognized by the masses) implementation of internal security measures passed off as necessary to protect the nation from terrorism, setting up the infrastructure for total domination of the American people to control the civil unrest that is expected to come in the aftermath of a collapse of the economy.
The HC reform bill was hurried into implementation to replace the failing global warming scam - Cap & Trade taxation vehicle, which has been slowed because of the fundamental fraud of it being revealed. It's not dead yet, but its facing strong opposition.
The precarious state of the economy, and the Trillions that have been looted by the international bankers ensures economic collapse, and the anticipated civil unrest.
The HC bill includes a biometric national ID (disguised as a HC card) as well as a "worker ID" that will be required of all citizens for employment eligibility. In addition, direct access to personal bank accounts and payroll checks of ALL Americans is unprecedented, and coupled with the worker ID and National ID will allow the federal government unimagined control of the population. The HC Bill also authorized the implementation of a "reserve civilian corp" ... Mr. Obama's private citizen Army he called for while campaigning ... his very own "Brown Shirts", along with 20,000 new IRS enforcement agents.
The taxes for this system kick in almost immediately, while the implementation of the alleged benefits won't arrive until 2014. This is a smorgasbord of new taxes, National ID, "Civilian Snitch Police", 20,000 new IRS thugs, and unprecedented direct access to the general public's finances.
Hitler, Stalin, and Mao could only dream of having a system of tyranny like this in place to dominate their respective populations.
And the dumbed down American public ... 40% of them celebrated the passage of this legislation to Kill America.
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