obama lied about no tax increases

[Waianaegirl]

Obama lied??? Again??

[NHartphotog]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

If Americans are smart they WILL NOT sign up for this. The government can't take in a dollar it won't spend somewhere else.

SS is full of IOU's
medicare is running in the red.

IMHO..save that $150-$240 yourself and don't throw it away.

Absolutely correct. And worse, I'll bet this "option" will be a "mandate" after the foot is in the door. Medicaid knows it can't allow the Baby Boomers to go into nursing homes at $8,000 or more per month, even if said Boomers went through their life savings first (the clever ones will do their best to avoid that, but it gets harder every day).

No way can government rely on naive youngsters that haven't learned that the government promises wonderful benefits in return for a "small" tax (which eventually becomes a very large tax). When the time comes to deliver on the promised benefits, take note of the precedent in the 1960 Supreme Court case where "workers have no legally binding contractual rights to their Social Security benefits, and that those benefits can be cut or even eliminated at any time." The taxpayer is then thoroughly berated for expecting anything back from the government, when our Leaders have already put us $13 trillion in debt.

[Cyber Queen]

Originally Posted by revelated

Thanks for that quote - can I borrow that? Oh, and by the way, quoting entire articles is against TOS.

Obama now defends insurance mandate as tax



You need to understand political double-speak and media chutzpah.

The administration isn't defending this as a tax. They're defending it as a penalty applied under the government's taxation authority. It's still not a tax. It's just been given the same stroke as a tax. The fact remains that it's essentially optional.

Don't get me wrong here people. I don't like the idea of the government telling me what I can and cannot buy. But the reality is, 9 out of 10 working Americans already have healthcare and are thus immune to the effects of this bill. Those that don't have it because they can't afford it, also can't afford to pay the penalty, so they lose nothing. Those that don't have it because they choose not to have it are the ones targeted by the bill.

The bottom line though is that the government basically slipped a penalty in, as a requirement in the bill, and used their authority regarding taxation to keep it there. But it's a penalty, NOT a tax. Again, if they said that every American had to pay $X.xx dollars a year into the government healthcare pool like Social Security and there were nothing you could do about it, that'd be a tax. This is a condition: Get healthcare or pay the price. Not a tax.

And who will be imposing this penalty? The IRS! Pretty sure they are the same people that come after your ass if you don't pay your TAXES!!!! I love the double talk. Like some how calling it a penalty instead of a tax somehow removes the fact that Obama lied!