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You are really good at trying to win debates without actually making any points yourself.
I don't know if I should be frustrated or tell you 'good job'.
I'm not trying to win a debate here.
As I said, I'm opposed to the HCR in its present form (but not HCR itself).
However, there are better arguments against it than the aforementioned slippery slope, or the inevitable 'its socialist!!1!'
If people continue to use these arguments, it will de-value the sound arguments by default of association, which is something that angers me quite a bit.
Therefore, argue against the present HCR, but do it intelligently!
The fact that a bill like this can pass demonstrates the weakness of the American citizen. There is no longer personal responsibility, let the .gov take care of everything. Sad sad day for all Americans. I am finally prepared to admit that our best days are truly behind us.
The vast majority of the people did not want this bill yet it is forced upon them? This is fascism. We know better how to take care of you than you do. Just glad that my dad, a decorated WWII veteran didn't live to see this day when the freedom he fought for was so easily surrendered to a two-bit political hack from Chicago
I defy you in turn to point out one enumerated power in our Constitution that authorizes the government to enact such legislation.
One.
Hint: The "General Welfare" clause is not an enumerated power and only refers to the government exercising of said enumerated powers.
As a foreigner I'm pretty ignorant of the constitution's details.
Pray, could you enlighten me? Is there a section/clause in it that prohibits the government to enact such legislation?
As a foreigner I'm pretty ignorant of the constitution's details.
Pray, could you enlighten me? Is there a section/clause in it that prohibits the government to enact such legislation?
Any power not explicitly given to the federal government is constitutionally under the jurisdiction of the states.
The 10th amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Any power not explicitly given to the federal government is constitutionally under the jurisdiction of the states.
The 10th amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Thank you for your reply, didn't know that.
Taking this amendment into account, it seems to me that most of todays federal legal/representational structures are built on shaky ground.
Shouldn't the goal be for the American health care system to be able to support itself?
Well they health care system has done an admirable job of doing that. They been so successful that they can actually afford to turn away customers.
How is it possible at this stage in the debate for someone to accuse someone else of missing the point when their point is so out in left (or should I say right field) that it has utterly no relationship to the issue at hand?
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If steps are taken (such as this bill) to increase government involvement, we are placing barriers between us and that goal of self-sustainability.
Barriers between us and the goal of self-sustainability. Now that sounds wonkish enough... if it only meant something.
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