Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-23-2010, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
6,175 posts, read 12,946,157 times
Reputation: 4020

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
Oregon allows assisted suicide. That is why that woman got that letter. It had nothing to do with a "death panel". She got the drug she desired, and it didn't extend her life much.
I don't give a rats hairy tail about the offer to help her die, ok? Stop hanging yrou argument on that, as it's irellevent. Let's pretend they offered to LET her die, not to HELP her die, ok? (For the record though, allowing assisted suidcide for someone who has chosen it is one thing. SUGGESTING it to someone who has never contemplated killing herself is something entirely different. But that's a discussion for a different thread.)

Did the government health plan pay for the legal, FDA approved drug her doctor prescribed and she wanted? No, it did not. Did a doctor make the decision to deny her the medication? No, that decision was made by state insurance personell, based on dollars, not medicine. Is that EXACTY what was predicted, and warned of, as a reason to not allow governent control of health insurance? Yes, it is. Is this EXACTLY what was referred to as "Death Panels"? Yes, it is.

The fact that the drug maker, Genentech, stepped forward and gave her the drug free of charge does not change the fact that the Oregon Death Panel refused to pay for it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-23-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,297 posts, read 120,854,411 times
Reputation: 35920
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Keegan View Post
I don't give a rats hairy tail about the offer to help her die, ok? Stop hanging yrou argument on that, as it's irellevent. Let's pretend they offered to LET her die, not to HELP her die, ok? (For the record though, allowing assisted suidcide for someone who has chosen it is one thing. SUGGESTING it to someone who has never contemplated killing herself is something entirely different. But that's a discussion for a different thread.)

Did the government health plan pay for the legal, FDA approved drug her doctor prescribed and she wanted? No, it did not. Did a doctor make the decision to deny her the medication? No, that decision was made by state insurance personell, based on dollars, not medicine. Is that EXACTY what was predicted, and warned of, as a reason to not allow governent control of health insurance? Yes, it is. Is this EXACTLY what was referred to as "Death Panels"? Yes, it is.

The fact that the drug maker, Genentech, stepped forward and gave her the drug free of charge does not change the fact that the Oregon Death Panel refused to pay for it.
Genentech was probably hoping for a miracle recovery.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2010, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
6,175 posts, read 12,946,157 times
Reputation: 4020
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
Genentech was probably hoping for a miracle recovery.
I'm sure they were. It would have made great PR for them and their drug. But that changes nothing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-24-2010, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
2,479 posts, read 3,237,341 times
Reputation: 586
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Keegan View Post
Again, you sidestep. you said, back in post 205,

Now that we've shown yo that the "bunk" is real, you're switching over. Now you're saying that it's true, but IT'S OK!!
It's ok with you that a beancounter made a medical decision for this woman in contradiction to her doctors prescription? And if it is ok, why not have the politicians who are pushing for a government run plan come out & say it, admit that it will in fact happen, that Sarah Palin & the republicans were right, that this is what will happen, and that it's a good thing.? Why do they continue to brush aside the concern when republicans bring it up, much as you did, calling it bunk? Same with taxes. YOur post there implied that taxes were not going up, that republicans were just trying to frighten people. Clearly that was wrong too, and now, lo and behold, IT'S OK!!
So let me ask you; do you LIKE higher taxes and medical decisions being made my governemtn committees, or is it just that ANYTHING done by President Obama & his democrat cohorts is ok by you?
Tax Breaks For The Rich Will Let Expire By Obama, BRAVO!
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Obama isn't "RAISING TAXES" he has cut taxes for some, and more tax cut proposals are on the way for small businesses, but again, you don't get it keegan.

Beancounter, wtf is that? No. Palin and the right are wrong about DEATH SQUADS, you just do not get it keegan. No HC bill has been passed yet, and why?
Here is the reason right here:
Poll: Americans place blame for partisanship - CNN.com

Keegan, there are no, and were no proposals to kill people, that was a manufactured lie by your friends. stop lying.

When are you guys going to get fricken real, Americans are tired of your partisan bullcrap.
Poll: Americans place blame for partisanship - CNN.com

I don't see how you can be disingenuous implying that woman is a victim of a DEATH SQUAD BY OBAMA. Lady has cancer and is terminally ill, you are again manufacturing lies you want people to believe. Stop lying will you please.

Last edited by Hombre57; 02-24-2010 at 05:54 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-24-2010, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
6,175 posts, read 12,946,157 times
Reputation: 4020
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hombre57 View Post
Tax Breaks For The Rich Will Let Expire By Obama, BRAVO!
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Obama isn't "RAISING TAXES" he has cut taxes for some, and more tax cut proposals are on the way for small businesses, but again, you don't get it keegan.

Beancounter, wtf is that? No. Palin and the right are wrong about DEATH SQUADS, you just do not get it keegan. No HC bill has been passed yet, and why?
Here is the reason right here:
Poll: Americans place blame for partisanship - CNN.com

Keegan, there are no, and were no proposals to kill people, that was a manufactured lie by your friends. stop lying.

When are you guys going to get fricken real, Americans are tired of your partisan bullcrap.
Poll: Americans place blame for partisanship - CNN.com

I don't see how you can be disingenuous implying that woman is a victim of a DEATH SQUAD BY OBAMA. Lady has cancer and is terminally ill, you are again manufacturing lies you want people to believe. Stop lying will you please.
Your absolute refusal to recognize and admit to the truth even when it's staring you right in the face is stunning. So I'll leave you to the fantasy you cling to, that President Obama isn't going to cause taxes to increase for all who pay federal income taxes, and that a government health plan did not refuse to pay for medications prescribed by a doctor. I'm done here.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top