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I'm a registered Independent and I felt incredibly hopeful on Obama's inauguration day. I'm not a person who spends a lot of time on these threads because I find them totally useless in having a rational dialogue (that goes for people on both sides of the argument).
I would, however, like to ask those who blame the current Republicans for everything that doesn't get passed in Congress:
Do you understand how the legislative process works? Even with the much heralded Scott Brown victory, Democrats are in control of the legislative process. And by "control" I mean they don't have to ask Republicans for anything...the Republicans can object and vote "no" on every single bill and the Democrats could still pass every single thing they want. Scott Brown's victory only allows the Senate Republicans to filibuster, if they chose. Even if Scott Brown comes on board and votes No on every single issue, the Republicans only have 41 votes...the Senate only needs 51 to pass anything they want.
If you want to yell about not passing health care, not passing cap and trade, not passing whatever issue seems to be your cause du jour, perhaps you should be looking at the Democratic party. They can vote for anything they want and the Republicans can only vote "no". Even if the Republicans vote cohesively, the Democrats in the House and Senate can pass anything they want and they don't even have to have every single person in their party on board. 8 Democratic senators could either not vote or vote "no" and the Democrats could still pass whatever they want in the Senate. The House numbers are even more in favor of the Democrats.
If you have a problem with what's happening in Congress, it seems totally illogical to anyone who knows simple math that you would blame the Republicans. If they're the "party of no"...it doesn't make a single bit of difference...they can vote no and every single thing the Democrats want passed can still be passed.
BRAVO! ... the3Ds ... ! Great effort on your part. Your attempt to provide a most logical and accurate informational piece regarding the political process to some of the grumbling folks here on CDF is much appreciated.
Although you may never actually reach the many troublesome "Small Minds" that as a matter of course do exist on any internet forum, you have provided a true "Gem" of information regarding whom is really to blame in this pathetic matter ... Yes ... you are absolutely correct, It's the so called Democratic "DINO" "Career Politicians" in the U.S Congress !
Plain and simple enough for anyone of any intelligence level to basically comprehend ! Any minimal research effort into this political area will provide ample evidence of the same ! It's the "DEMOCRAT"S in the Congress" !
And what of these excessively obstinate folks whom possess such an acute degree of "Denial" for so much of their lives ... and continue to spew forth so many idiotically inaccurate accusations against the minority Republicans in this instance. Perhaps they have once again acheived the status of the OWL ... ( Most of you know this story by now) : "The More Light You Shine On The Owl, The Less They See"...
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's" to Blame ? It's the "Piddling Democrat's" That's "WHOOOOOOOOOOOO" !
BRAVO! ... the3Ds ... ! Great effort on your part. Your attempt to provide a most logical and accurate informational piece regarding the political process to some of the grumbling folks here on CDF is much appreciated.
Although you may never actually reach the many troublesome "Small Minds" that as a matter of course do exist on any internet forum, you have provided a true "Gem" of information regarding whom is really to blame in this pathetic matter ... Yes ... you are absolutely correct, It's the so called Democratic "DINO" "Career Politicians" in the U.S Congress !
Plain and simple enough for anyone of any intelligence level to basically comprehend ! Any minimal research effort into this political area will provide ample evidence of the same ! It's the "DEMOCRAT"S in the Congress" !
And what of these excessively obstinate folks whom possess such an acute degree of "Denial" for so much of their lives ... and continue to spew forth so many idiotically inaccurate accusations against the minority Republicans in this instance. Perhaps they have once again acheived the status of the OWL ... ( Most of you know this story by now) : "The More Light You Shine On The Owl, The Less They See"...
"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's" to Blame ? It's the "Piddling Democrat's" That's "WHOOOOOOOOOOOO" !
Thank You / Lamar
You applaud the system that encourages treachery, and the failure of politicians to accurately master treachery. Think about it Lamar. This isn't about D's or R's. It's about dysfunctional system that's gotten so far beyond what our founders intended it's not even recognizable. I'd venture to guess every single one of our founders would be pointing their rifles at K street on principle.
bipartisanship...indeed. Let your confusion be put to rest, let your mind not be troubled.
Nicely done. I appreciate the time you took to substantiate that.
However, amending a democratically created bill is a far cry from having a seat at the table at the bill's inception. They were also not invited to the ObamaPelosiReid meetings to reconcile the house and senate versions. Just because some of the amendments to the original bill were put into place, does not therefore equate into democrat bipartisanship.
A truly bipartisan bill would include both parties at the creation, amending, and reconciling stages of a bill's progress through the legislative process. All stages of the process.
And thank you for also pointing out that we, republicans, are NOT the party of NO.
I wouldn't say it's the Democrats fault entirely. It's the leadership and the 'top' Democrat, the President. They have said they won't ram anything through like the Republicans did for the last 8 years in the assumption that they can shame the Republicans to do honest and forthright legislating for the American people.
In other words, they want and will wait out the Republican's in order to work with them.
I think that's a failure of an attitude on the Republican's know this, and will wait them out, just like Al-Queda will wait us out in Afghanistan and Pakistan. There is no honest brokering, and no reason for the Republican's to do so, as they can stop anything from happening and label the Dem's a failure at the same time.
LMAO
Yeah, ok. Republicans weren't invited to discuss the healthcare reform bill because their invitation got lost in the mail? Give me a break.
You applaud the system that encourages treachery, and the failure of politicians to accurately master treachery. Think about it Lamar. This isn't about D's or R's. It's about dysfunctional system that's gotten so far beyond what our founders intended it's not even recognizable. I'd venture to guess every single one of our founders would be pointing their rifles at K street on principle.
Agree. The Dem's want and long for bi-partisanship. The Repub's couldn't give a damn. The same way it's been for the last 10 years. The Dem's don't want to seem partisan and ram things through. The Repub's don't care and want to make them do it.
The Dem's are unwilling to just realize that, and hope to recapture the Adams/Jeffersonian culture to work together to "form a more perfect union" that take ideas from both sides to make concessions that will move the Republic forward and better.
Until then, there will be more gridlock.
I am simply in amazement that comments like this don't get the attention they deserve on this forum.
To sit there and blame complete inactivity in the congress on the republicans while painting the democrats as simply wanting republican involvment and thus holding up bills is comical. The democrats didn't want fox news in the white house, they didn't want republicans to provide input into the bill until they raised a stink. Then democrats said "well whats your input 'party of no'".
The GOP has had their plan posted on their website for quite some time now. Its there for all to see. We all know they aren't going to be invited to committee to review the currents bills or provide input, but to claim that they are stopping the show is absolutely 100% BS.
Painting the democrats as a bunch of helpless bi-partisan victims. CLASSIC.
Wouldn't get on TV and make the comments he has...like what?! He's giving you more than half of what you wanted? He's scraping what he ran his campaign on? That he's working to not only stop the largest recession and housing bubble in history, while propping up banks that were given the reigns by the same people who guaranteed that "free unregulated markets" work only to be proven wrong again, and again and again?!
To go on TV and wish and ask for bi-partisanship, and for ideas that lead toward a goal of working together and fostering good will and good legislation for the people? To go on TV and continue to ask the Republican's and their Corporate masters what he can do to make the bills more palatable in order to get something passed and moving through the legislature so that at least 20-30% of what he promised gets through, instead of ramming in through regardless of the machinations and obfuscations the republicans are throwing down?
You mean comments on TV like that? You mean the comments that he's asking for your help and because he says 'please' it's not enough?!
Those comments?! The country is divided enough, and while I applaud his continued attempts to make 'nice', I believe it's more than high time to either crap or get off the pot, and just start ramming things through, the way he either campaigned or that will be better for the country. And then we'd see how the country feels.
1 Do you think looking at them in a state of the union telling them they cant be the party of no or the comments about a socialist brush and helping brush or get out of the way.
He wouldnt be making snide comments. Heck Obama has made snide comments about the citizens of this country. When he made the comment about carrying around their little tea bags.. I dont remember and granted I havent been paying as close attention to politics as I am now but I dont remember any past president making a comment like that about the citizens of this country. To discredit their opinion or thoughts making jokes on behalf of them.
No Obama shouldnt be doing whatever he wants to do he works for the people of this country.
I am simply in amazement that comments like this don't get the attention they deserve on this forum.
To sit there and blame complete inactivity in the congress on the republicans while painting the democrats as simply wanting republican involvment and thus holding up bills is comical. The democrats didn't want fox news in the white house, they didn't want republicans to provide input into the bill until they raised a stink. Then democrats said "well whats your input 'party of no'".
The GOP has had their plan posted on their website for quite some time now. Its there for all to see. We all know they aren't going to be invited to committee to review the currents bills or provide input, but to claim that they are stopping the show is absolutely 100% BS.
Painting the democrats as a bunch of helpless bi-partisan victims. CLASSIC.
Cantor has sent another copy of their ideas to Obama again today.
It's certainly easier to blame the current people for all the faults of everyone in the past then to deal with the problems that have happened under the watch of the party in power to make sure they don't happen again (or learn history). It's a simple sound byte that requires little thinking or understanding, it requires no changes or admission of wrong doing, and you always have a ready supply of people angry at the "government" in general without having intelligence to waste on analysis of individual policies or bills.
That way one party bandwagon can shout "The government is evil and wasting money" and all the idiots jump on board. Then the other jumps on the same wagon and says the same thing when they are not in power, so the same idiots get right back on board to shout the same thing. Ready and easily lead audience without any memory that those driving the truck were doing the same thing in the government seats while the other party was driving the truck.
Populism is always the best of generalization and sound bite slogans, which the NeoCons are better at then the Democrats. Largely because the base rhetoric of the NeoCons is fear and blame, while Democrats actually desire people to understand and agree instead of misleading people. Which, sadly, is the problem with dealing with the populists. Thinking is too hard for those people.
Go humanity *cheer*.
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Great effort on your part. Your attempt to provide a most logical and accurate informational piece regarding the political process to some of the grumbling folks here on CDF is much appreciated.
