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Old 12-22-2009, 02:02 PM
 
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More of that obama "smart power"
Ahmadinejad was just as defiant when G.W. Bush was in office; however, it's a very easy path to take and put partisan spin on when one is ignorant of the complexities behind international relations and relies on emotion to salve and reassure oneself that one has an informed opinion.

I would point to evidence of Ahmadinejad's recalcitrance toward Bush here:
January, 2007:
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2007/01/21/afx3346747.html (broken link)



I guess he told Bush "Pound sand, weakling" back then as well?

"Wrong, do it again" -- Pink Floyd

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Old 12-22-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Ahmadinejad was just as defiant when G.W. Bush was in office; however, it's a very easy path to take and put partisan spin on when one is ignorant of the complexities behind international relations and relies on emotion to salve and reassure oneself that one has an informed opinion.

I would point to evidence of Ahmadinejad's recalcitrance toward Bush here:

January, 2007:
Iran defiant on UN sanctions, plans war games - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2007/01/21/afx3346747.html - broken link)

I guess he told Bush "Pound sand, weakling" back then as well?

"Wrong, do it again" -- Pink Floyd

No....I don't think he was this cocky and mouthy...he smells weakness on this President. Bush was perceived as the Cowboy. Obama is Alan Alda.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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No....I don't think he was this cocky and mouthy...he smells weakness on this President. Bush was perceived as the Cowboy. Obama is Alan Alda.
Iran was always this cocky, even toward Bush -- they've scoffed at deadlines before.

It doesn't matter who is in the Whitehouse and it's not just the United States that he defies.

Nice attempt at spin, though.

From 2006:
[URL]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article623591.ece[/URL]
[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/international/middleeast/10iran.html?pagewanted=print[/URL]

From 2005:
[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146978,00.html[/URL]
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I don't think our intellectual POTUS is any match for the barbarian in Iran.
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I don't think our intellectual POTUS is any match for the barbarian in Iran.
True. The point is that obama thought he would be able to unclench their fist if he sat silent while Iranian democracy activists were brutalized and murdered in the streets. He thinks that his speeches and letters of groveling will turn their belligerent behavior around.

He is a dangerous, naive sop.
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The OP has this neocon fantasy that we are the World's dictator.

4000 dead soldiers and 1 Trillion Dollars squandered in Iraq and they STILL want to start wars and try push other nations around.


The ChickenHawks must be getting restless, the compulsion to start new wars of choice needs to be fed
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:25 PM
 
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he is not doing a very good job

Please turn down RW Radio. Not good for the brain.
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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who is they? who is starting the wars now?

we also have this news today:

Hugo Chavez orders military to shoot at US aircraft
President Hugo Chavez has accused the US of violating Venezuela's airspace with an unmanned spy plane, and ordered his military to shoot down any such aircraft in the future.

as the elite in power lose their grip on financial control, with no real economic recovery in sight, we can expect to see escalation of aggression in different countries with enough "tough talk" for everyone.
Are you suggesting that the US would not shoot down a Venezuelan drone over Los Angeles ?
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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True. The point is that obama thought he would be able to unclench their fist if he sat silent while Iranian democracy activists were brutalized and murdered in the streets. He thinks that his speeches and letters of groveling will turn their belligerent behavior around.

He is a dangerous, naive sop.
I bet you knew what he thought.
But maybe for 2012 you can elect an ox, some guy about 6'6'', 390 pounds of muscle, with a brain about the size of a golfball.
Da kind of guy who knows that the only way to get through life is with his fists. To force others.
Hey, but this is Christmas! Maybe the Lord will bless you by getting America involved in another war. Pray for it!
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Old 12-22-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: stairway to heaven
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Well, shall we start with a few facts to set you on the right course?

1) In October 2008, candidate Barack Obama said: "If we can prevent them from importing the gasoline that they need and the refined petroleum products, that starts changing the cost-benefit analysis" of pursuing a nuclear agenda.

2) On December 15th, the House passed the Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act by a mind-numbing 412-12 show of bipartisan support

3) The Democratic controlled Congress proclaimed in the aforementioned Act that "Iran is not interested in a diplomatic resolution."

4) Barack Obama has curiously refused to say whether he would sign the act after it passes the Senate. (Most Presidents know that the mere threat of signing such legislation would be leverage - but not Barack Obama - he's too inexperienced to understand such logic)


Therefore, we can conclude three things:


1) There is overwhelming bipartisan support for cracking down on nuclear-ambitious Iran

2) Barrack Obama does not have the testicular fortitude to defeat Iran's nuclear program (Candidate rhetoric is beat by real-life current events once again)

3) Iran is laughing in Barack Obama's face


So, are you still sure that it's a neocon wet dream to punish Iran? The Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act and it's overwhelmingly Democratic supporters disagree with you.

H.R. 2194: Iran Refined Petroleum Sanctions Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

Sir, the people to whom you are speaking do not have so much as a freaking clue. They are a coalition of responsibility dodgers like the draft dodgers of the 60s and 70s and generally free riders that think the world owes them a living.
What they think does not count for a whole lot on the world stage and they will be further removed, hopefully permanently, from any attention whatsoever over the ensuing months, as it becomes more apparent than it already has become, that Obama was a pipe dream of snake oil salesmen and sadly he sold a lot of oil to a lot of clueless people.
This is Americas historical joke on itself. There will be many converted to sanity and reality by the perversive squalor of this ideological disaster.
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