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Old 12-07-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well at least the people of the countries that are prepared and willing to do something, outnumber the idiots and small thinking deniers such as the ones that post here. If we clean up the envoronment and are breathing cleaner air, that within itself will be a step in the right direction. The USA is shamefully lagging behind where it should be in leading the cause. Not surprising when you realize how many really stupid people just don't get it.
We'll end up like Japan.

Committed to lowering emissions 6% by 2012.
As of 2009 they are up 8% and furiously buying up carbon credits from third world nations that have surpluses so they can meet their cap this year.

Way to clean up the planet.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:31 PM
 
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We'll end up like Japan.

Committed to lowering emissions 6% by 2012.
As of 2009 they are up 8% and furiously buying up carbon credits from third world nations that have surpluses so they can meet their cap this year.

Way to clean up the planet.
I'm looking at this from a different standpoint. The very fact that it is front and center and being discussed, debated and negotiated is excellent. Why would anyone want the rate of emissions to continue at the level that it has and is negatively affecting everything? It is almost Neanderthal thinking, to even entertain the thought to not do anything about it.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'm looking at this from a different standpoint. The very fact that it is front and center and being discussed, debated and negotiated is excellent. Why would anyone want the rate of emissions to continue at the level that it has and is negatively affecting everything? It is almost Neanderthal thinking, to even entertain the thought to not do anything about it.
But that's just it..they are not doing anything about the actual emissions.
Sure...put down on paper what you will do, but hey, we got this back door called carbon credits that will make it alright if you don't cut back.

Too many people have too much money invested in creating a flourishing industry out of this rather than actually lowering emissions. I hope some will be lowered but I have doubts. What would happen to the carbon credit market if all countries actually followed through on their promises ?
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Seize the Moment on Climate Change (http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/story/1369218.html - broken link)

And for those who believe that climate change is in part the result of hysteria by this country's main stream media, the editorial appeared today in 56 newspapers in 45 countries. The link above is to the editorial as it appears in the Miami Herald, apparently the only newspaper in the U.S. to carry it.
Concensus does not equal fact in science.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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But that's just it..they are not doing anything about the actual emissions.
Sure...put down on paper what you will do, but hey, we got this back door called carbon credits that will make it alright if you don't cut back.

Too many people have too much money invested in creating a flourishing industry out of this rather than actually lowering emissions. I hope some will be lowered but I have doubts. What would happen to the carbon credit market if all countries actually followed through on their promises ?
Sort of like "Cheat credits" with one's wife. As long as I hand over money to my wife my cheating is blessed and sanctioned. Withhold the money and cheating becomes evil, sinful something that should not be tolerated. Either way unfaithfulness abounds, in this case C02.
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Concensus does not equal fact in science.
But consensus makes anything "into a fact".
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