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Old 11-29-2009, 03:01 PM
 
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What do you mean by this?
The axis of evil: Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

You think the other 33% (Iraq) was null and void while the other 66% has made themselves and their agenda apparently clear?

Maybe a clarification of what a nuclear war bomb means today is needed. Not 1,000 of them... just one. You care?
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:03 PM
 
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I didn't take the 'axis of evil' crap seriously in 2002, and I sure as hell don't in 2009, so you can go find yourself a new catchphrase.

You too? You understand what 1 nuclear war head can do today? 1... just 1.
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:04 PM
 
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Did you expect the war to end sooner when Obama took office?

And practically speaking is the war worth fighting for at this point?

Your thoughts on solutions and alternatives?

I didn't think the wars would last this long. I want the troops home NOW!
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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When a nuclear explosion occurs at high altitude, the EMP signal it produces will cover the wide geographic region within the line of sight of the detonation.1 This broad band, high amplitude EMP, when coupled into sensitive electronics, has the capability to produce widespread and long lasting disruption and damage to the critical infrastructures that underpin the fabric of U.S. society.

Because of the ubiquitous dependence of U.S. society on the electrical power system, its vulnerability to an EMP attack, coupled with the EMP’s particular damage mechanisms, creates the possibility of long-term, catastrophic consequences. The implicit invitation to take advantage of this vulnerability, when coupled with increasing proliferation of nuclear weapons and their delivery systems, is a serious concern. A single EMP attack may seriously degrade or shut down a large part of the electric power grid in the geographic area of EMP exposure effectively instantaneously. There is also a possibility of functional collapse of grids beyond the exposed area, as electrical effects propagate from one region to another.

The time required for full recovery of service would depend on both the disruption and damage to the electrical power infrastructure and to other national infrastructures. Larger affected areas and stronger EMP field strengths will prolong the time to recover. Some critical electrical power infrastructure components are no longer manufactured in the United States, and their acquisition ordinarily requires up to a year of lead time in routine circumstances. Damage to or loss of these components could leave significant parts of the electrical infrastructure out of service for periods measured in months to a year or more. There is a point in time at which the shortage or exhaustion of sustaining backup systems, including emergency power supplies, batteries, standby fuel supplies, communications, and manpower resources that can be mobilized, coordinated, and dispatched, together lead to a continuing degradation of critical infrastructures for a prolonged period of time. Electrical power is necessary to support other critical infrastructures, including supply and distribution of water, food, fuel, communications, transport, financial transactions, emergency services, government services, and all other infrastructures supporting the national economy and welfare. Should significant parts of the electrical power infrastructure be lost for any substantial period of time, the Commission believes that the consequences are likely to be catastrophic, and many people may ultimately die for lack of the basic elements necessary to sustain life in dense urban and suburban communities. In fact, the Commission is deeply concerned that such impacts are likely in the event of an EMP attack unless practical steps are taken to provide protection for critical elements of the electric system and for rapid restoration of electric power, particularly to essential services. The recovery plans for the individual infrastructures currently in place essentially assume, at worst, limited upsets to the other infrastructures that are important to their operation. Such plans may be of little or no value in the wake of an EMP attack because of its long-duration effects on all infrastructures that rely on electricity or electronics.
http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2...ission-7MB.pdf

You and your family want to see what primordial humans were like?

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Old 11-29-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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Yah exactly he did help the Mujahidin in someway and the Afghans value these things so much and they had so much respect for him. Thats why they welcomed him, i know it was wrong but still.
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:14 PM
 
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When the United States detonated the 1.4-megaton (MT) STARFISH2 device on July 9, 1962, at 400 km altitude, a total of 21 satellites were in orbit or were launched in weeks following. Eight suffered radiation damage that compromised or terminated their missions.3 Information concerning the fate of the remaining 13 satellites is not publicly available.
You know how big a mega-ton is?
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Russian defence experts estimated the explosion's yield at between 10 and 20 kilotons, many times more than the 1 kiloton measured in its first nuclear test in 2006 and about as powerful as the bombs the US used against Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of the second world war. One kiloton is equal to the force produced by 1,000 tonnes of TNT.
North Korea tests nuclear weapon 'as powerful as Hiroshima bomb' | World news | guardian.co.uk

You know how long it took us once we denotated our first bomb to get to 1.4 MT's?
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:37 PM
 
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You too? You understand what 1 nuclear war head can do today? 1... just 1.
Most of us understand what one belligerent redneck president in the White House can do. That's why the last two elections turned out as they did.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:44 PM
 
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actually i know how long we were going to be in iraq!!!!!>>>> at least 30 years or untill the oil supply gets realy low in the middle east.. so i would get used to it.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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I thought Obama as a candidate was pretty clear how long it would take to get out of Iraq. The ideal timeline was 11 months and reality pushed it back to 16. Everything seems to be on track.

He said over and over "We're going to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in." I suspect a lot of people just thought he'd cancel everything in Iraq the day he took office, but he never said he would. That would have been wreckless.
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Old 11-29-2009, 08:15 PM
 
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actually i know how long we were going to be in iraq!!!!!>>>> at least 30 years or untill the oil supply gets realy low in the middle east.. so i would get used to it.
I think you got it Bring them all home should never been on the ground in the first place .
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