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Since 1935, the USA has been a socialist nation. And you can be assured that every "volunteer" with a SSN is therefore obligated to perform. Any constitutional challenge will fail, because as long as you consented to SocSec, you cannot raise the "involuntary servitude" objection.
In all cases where obligatory action is imposed, with penalties, you will find that it is empowered under some form of consent, such as FICA / SocSec.
Remember, the constitution expressly forbids involuntary servitude (except after conviction), but VOLUNTARY servitude is 100% constitutional.
If you want to rub their fur the wrong way, write a polite letter to your congresscritters and ask:
[] If involuntary servitude is unconstitutional, where and when did I give consent to be obligated by the terms of the [specific] bill?
[] When and how did I become a "person liable"?
[] Where is the jurisdictional limit to Congress' delegation of authority to impose involuntary servitude and punishment for those who disobey?
[] Where can I find "dollars" to pay for this, since only worthless "dollar bills" and counterfeit fractional coin are in circulation?
Of course, you won't receive an answer to your questions.
If only one asks, it won't do a thing.
If one thousand ask, it may raise an eyebrow.
If one hundred thousand ask, an inrush of breath may come.
If one million ask, the sound of running feet may be heard.
If one hundred million ask, a tide of change may flood DC.
Bascially the same way they did in the vietnam era. There was a law aginst not carrying your draft card but people burned them and no action was really practical.What was learned is that when enough people decide to not co-operate the law become unenfroceable and ineffective.That is what Oabam was thinking during the campign when he argued with clinton that you really can't force people to buy insurance. If they really thou8ght it would work they would have forced epopel to signup their children for S-CHIPS but i think now years later they see it would be a waste and unenforceable even tho it cost very little comapred to other insurance. People linied up to take the polio vaccine and now mistrust of goivernment is so high they can't get many to take flu vaccines.
If you oppose "Involuntary servitude" Pack up your truck and move to a cave, so you won't be using any Socialized Electricity, Water, Sewers, Schools, Highways, Police, Trash, Fire etc etc etc
Just about all of these services are municipal and not federal. What makes the federal government so enlightened to believe it can scale up these types of services on a universal basis?
If you oppose "Involuntary servitude" Pack up your truck and move to a cave, so you won't be using any Socialized Electricity, Water, Sewers, Schools, Highways, Police, Trash, Fire etc etc etc
Perhaps you are not informed of the definition of terms.
Public utilities are not compelled, nor are they based on coercion. If you examine the laws in question, they only apply to persons liable.
And before "Progressive Socialism", the U.S.A. operated without the benevolent administration of its infrastructure by socialist government.
[] private enterprise operated many aspects: electricity, mass transit, water, schools, highways, bridges, ferries.
[] volunteers handled the fire brigades, and acted under the supervision of the sheriff (posses).
A cursory examination of the infrastructure would lead one to conclude that government is the worst possible manager, often making crucial decisions based on politics and bribery.
Public utilities are not compelled, nor are they based on coercion. If you examine the laws in question, they only apply to persons liable.
And before "Progressive Socialism", the U.S.A. operated without the benevolent administration of its infrastructure by socialist government.
[] private enterprise operated many aspects: electricity, mass transit, water, schools, highways, bridges, ferries.
[] volunteers handled the fire brigades, and acted under the supervision of the sheriff (posses).
A cursory examination of the infrastructure would lead one to conclude that government is the worst possible manager, often making crucial decisions based on politics and bribery.
fyi actual slavery existed under a capitalist system
Michigan, on the other hand, has the highest unemployment rate in the US due to failed socialist programs.
Come again? How about, the result of an oligopoly of auto manufacturers who as a group lost touch with their domestic market, could not navigate its own labor relations effectively, and decided over and over to postpone productivity enhancing production investments. Now they are shells of their old selves, as one would have expected after observing incompetent management.
Come again? How about, the result of an oligopoly of auto manufacturers who as a group lost touch with their domestic market, could not navigate its own labor relations effectively, and decided over and over to postpone productivity enhancing production investments. Now they are shells of their old selves, as one would have expected after observing incompetent management.
Ridiculous, isn't it?
Someone SHOULD have let failure R.I.P.
OOPS......but then we wouldn't have a government anymore.
At this point in US History we are far closer to a 'Neo Fascist Theocracy' then Some kind of 'Marxist Paradise'. Obama is merely trying to bring the country out of a vicious far right spiral, back to the political center.
Its just that parts of the nation-mostly 'flyover country' and the south (traditionally xenophobic) have indeed become hotbeds of extremists and neo fascist sentiment.
To even approach the western European model of 'Socialism' which is socialism 'lite' would something that Obama could not do if he was President for several decades.
The reforms he wants our very moderate- the screams of 'Marxism' are extreme and false- and emanate from extremists at the far right end of the spectrum-
In Germany in the 1920s and 30s you had similar right wing groups-mostly the Nazi's shouting at 'Liberals' Socialists, Communists, and Jews for degrading the so called 'purity' of Germany - this has a similar ring today in the USA.
Obama realizes that if he fails in bringing the nation back to a real center- all what Lincoln did to preserve the Union will likely be lost- the nation could split again for good- on the same ideological/geographic forces of so long ago.
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