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Old 11-08-2009, 07:41 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I like Maine's rendition in Article 1, Section 16 of the state constitution:
Emphasis added to the "never be questioned" part.

So anyone can walk into a WallyWorld in Maine and buy a handgun, no questions asked?
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:42 AM
 
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I'll add to this, that if an interpretation is needed, there seems to be documents by the writers of the constitution with the clarifications.
Exactly.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:47 AM
 
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And does the amendment not reference a well regulated militia?

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice also this right to keep and bear arms is not a right of the militia but of THE PEOPLE. In this way the people are never separated from their firearms. The Founders were quite concerned that a standing army would be used to suppress and subjugate the people. Arming the people instead of the militia was just another measure to keep power out of the hands of the government.

"To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy; "

Notice also that a standing army may not be funded by Congress for more than two years, yet a navy is to funded at all times. The reason for this is that the government cannot oppress the people with a navy. No, that requires and army.

The reason that the militia needed to well regulated (as is regulations) was so that it would not used for the nefarious purposes of the government. Today, in the absence of a militia, all members of the armed forces swear an oath to preserve and uphold the Constitution. Furthermore, we require all service members to specifically disobey all illegal orders. Any order to oppress the people would be, by definition, an illegal order. These are the most fundamental regulations that keep the power of the people in the hands of the people.

LII: Constitution
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice also this right to keep and bear arms is not a right of the militia but of THE PEOPLE. In this way the people are never separated from their firearms.

I noticed the co-author of the amendement stated:


"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

George Mason


In other words, he clearly equates the militia with THE PEOPLE.


Miss that did ya?
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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I noticed the co-author of the amendement stated:


"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

George Mason


In other words, he clearly equates the militia with THE PEOPLE.


Miss that did ya?




"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

Never says anything about disarming the militia either, but it is still the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Nope, didn't miss a thing.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

Never says anything about disarming the militia either, but it is still the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Nope, didn't miss a thing.


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Notice also this right to keep and bear arms is not a right of the militia but of THE PEOPLE.

Apparently you did
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Old 11-08-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Maine
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So anyone can walk into a WallyWorld in Maine and buy a handgun, no questions asked?
Theoretically I suppose. Though I've only ever seen long guns for sale at WallyWorld. I personally wouldn't buy a gun from them. The unconstitutional federal laws still apply, but Maine has few gun laws as a state. I could go to any private seller with cash in hand and walk away with whatever he's selling. No paper trail, no background checks. Exactly as it should be in a society that calls itself free.

Anyone who is not legally prohibited from possessing a firearm (felons, the insane, etc) has the right to carry said firearm with no permit whatsoever being necessary. The only time you need a permit is if you want to conceal it. Note that in Maine, having it in the car counts as concealed. But it is perfectly legal here (and our right as citizens of Maine) to openly carry a weapon.

I realize this is a foreign concept to many authoritarians (why they call themselves liberals is beyond me, because they certainly don't stand for liberty), but this is how it is up here.

Travel a few hundred miles to the west of Maine, you'll end up in Vermont, where you don't even need a permit to conceal a weapon. It's the same with Alaska. Of course, conceal carry has become the norm in most places rather than open carry. Concealing your weapons used to be the mark of a blackguard, the good guys always carried out in the open. The culture has changed a bit, but our rights have not.
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:16 PM
 
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No person of good character and good repute in the community in which he lives, and who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this section or other sections of this chapter, shall be denied a permit to purchase a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card


This excerpt seems to state that you can indeed have your handgun as long as your record is in good standing. I fail to see the problem.
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