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Old 08-09-2009, 09:48 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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I employ blacks, whites and hispanics, and, surprise, surprise .. even women, and they are all, very, very legal.

Don't let ignorance sell you down the river my friend ... my unskilled laborers, regardless of race, start at $19.15 an hour and get no less than 32 hours a week. My skilled workers, regardless of race, make much more, and in many cases, get more than 45 hours a week.

There is only one color in this business ... Green.
Money talks and BS walks .. my employees are some of the best there are, and I'll be damned if I'll let some "community organizer" come in and tell them that they need to give up on their American dream.

I'll take my business to Aberta, and all of my employees with me, before I'll let some socialist policy maker close me down.
Who's taking about closing you down?
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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No, you certainly can't. That problem exists mainly because it is the answer to "how do you export jobs while keeping them within our borders".
If Illegals are needed to do certain jobs that cannot be filled by an American then Bush's idea of a temporary workers card should be used and the worker taxed. Illegals are not the answer and while you have illegals working for cents then why should the employers pay Americans a decent wage to do the same work? The illegals are illegal. If they want to come work in America.. get in the queue and apply for residency.
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Old 08-09-2009, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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our leaders have no game plan whatsoever. they use gas taxes to fund road repair, while urging americans to drive less. they are spending billions of future taxpayer dollars on alternative energy at the same time that they are encouraging americans to buy news cars and increase their personal debt load.
as well, they want americans who are struggling financially to be able to absorb new cap and trade costs and new health care costs. each small group that benefits from government intervention pushes the cost of all of these programs onto the backs of all americans. this is insanity! the only way to fix this is to take power away from the government and allow the capital to flow back to the business sector and job creation, which is the engine of growth for the united states.

there also needs to be an audit of the federal reserve so the crooks go to jail, where they belong.
I agree !

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Old 08-09-2009, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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That is cool that you employ all colors and races. It's not cool however when we now have this huge illegal immigration problem and they are being given jobs over American citizens. The illegals are not wanted in the USA or needed.
While in Montana, I paid the money needed for two to become legal, and so far, in Texas, I've paid for one.

Everyone, and I mean, "Everyone" ... needs to realize their dream.
If you aren't willing to buck up and earn your way, then you don't deserve squat .. it's as simple as that.

I'm not sure if many of you here can fully appreciate just how expensive it is and just how long it takes, to become qualified to work/live legally in the United States indefinitely.

I can only help so many though, and only if they are qualified to do the job they are being hired to do .. My business isn't as large as some of these others around here ... money is tight.

There are those in this nation that seem to think that equal opportunity means everyone should be supported by the state ... but I'm from the old school that says, equal opportunity means that you can go to work and become a success in order to fullfill or otherwise realize your dreams, regardless of what color you are or what language you happen to be speaking.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by bigskydude View Post
I employ blacks, whites and hispanics, and, surprise, surprise .. even women, and they are all, very, very legal.

Don't let ignorance sell you down the river my friend ... my unskilled laborers, regardless of race, start at $19.15 an hour and get no less than 32 hours a week. My skilled workers, regardless of race, make much more, and in many cases, get more than 45 hours a week.

There is only one color in this business ... Green.
Money talks and BS walks .. my employees are some of the best there are, and I'll be damned if I'll let some "community organizer" come in and tell them that they need to give up on their American dream.

I'll take my business to Aberta, and all of my employees with me, before I'll let some socialist policy maker close me down.
We are not talking about legal immigrants. We are saying Illegal immigrants should not be working here. The problem is that many find it hard to distinguish between the two and tar them both with the same brush.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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That is cool that you employ all colors and races. It's not cool however when we now have this huge illegal immigration problem and they are being given jobs over American citizens. The illegals are not wanted in the USA or needed.
If you starve out the American citizen long enough, trust me, they will work.

Hungry people work .. desparate people will work for next near to nothing.
Have you been to Mexico lately?

Americans will work if they get hungry enough, of that, you can be sure.

It will be the hungry American that drives the cheap labor back across the border.

A starving and bankrupt American will end up doing what the government has failed to do all of these years.

American family economics will eventually prove to be the weapon of choice used to control illegal immigration, not the government.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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We are not talking about legal immigrants. We are saying Illegal immigrants should not be working here. The problem is that many find it hard to distinguish between the two and tar them both with the same brush.
I was responding to the OP that just somehow "assumed" that I might be using illegal labor .. and that my industry doesn't pay as high as it used to.
The OP was/is wrong on both accounts.

I'll defend the industry and my ethical labor practices any day of the week.

The trouble with folks in this country is that they "assume" too much.

I agree.

Illegals should be dealt with. I also feel that economics will deal with it in time, as more and more Americans become hungry.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:18 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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If Illegals are needed to do certain jobs that cannot be filled by an American then Bush's idea of a temporary workers card should be used and the worker taxed. Illegals are not the answer and while you have illegals working for cents then why should the employers pay Americans a decent wage to do the same work? The illegals are illegal. If they want to come work in America.. get in the queue and apply for residency.
You misunderstood me, my friend. I didn't say illegals were needed at all. Clearly they are here as a means for business owners to slash wages and benefits for jobs that used to be done by Americans. And those business owners are Republicans - not Democrats. I'm with you on this!
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Well, plannine states option #3 as blaming everybody else

I would off the third option to VOTE LIBERTARIAN ! ! !

Free love and less government. We can all return to being friends again.
be vigilant voting Libertarian as well. Some within that party wish to set our government too close to anarchy, which is like sitting just inside the event horizon of a black hole, you will get sucked in.

But placing government too far from the magic line called the even horizon, and it will get sucked back into oligarchy.

Find the person that will stand for the constitution, not the party.
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Old 08-09-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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You misunderstood me, my friend. I didn't say illegals were needed at all. Clearly they are here as a means for business owners to slash wages and benefits for jobs that used to be done by Americans. And those business owners are Republicans - not Democrats. I'm with you on this!
me too! group hug!
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