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Old 08-06-2009, 08:46 AM
 
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I take it back,you ARE that naive....

Look at the various fedgov. organisations and who the members are...sure are a LOT of GS former employees...

Just a coincidence I am sure.
Geithner and who else?
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:50 AM
 
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but what is actually going on:

the injection of free TARP funds enabled the recipient banks to enter a charred landscape that was, nevertheless, bristling with easy profits. For example, $10 billion of TARP funds enabled Goldman Sachs to make leveraged trades during the bear market rally of the last four months. Though this is the same activity that caused its downfall, Goldman now assumes a government guarantee on its risk-taking. With no limits on their appetite for risk, record profits are theirs for the taking. (but guess who gets shafted if these deals go south)

Second, some of the shadow banks, such as Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, were allowed to become bank holding companies. This change allowed them access to the Fed Window to borrow at zero percent interest. This greatly increased the profit margins of the banks day-to-day lending operations.

Third, the reduction of Fed rates to below 1% has steepened the yield curve, enabling banks to take 6% to 8%-plus spreads in lending to boost earnings.

Fourth, for the first time, the Fed is paying interest on bank reserves. This means that all banks can borrow at zero and lend back to the Fed at an interest rate spread of some 3%, thus boosting earnings further. The downside is that banks are discouraged from lending to risky companies and individuals while they can lend at no risk to the Fed. Therefore, despite political pressure for banks to lend, credit remains tight.
tight for risky companies.

You forgot to mention that Lehman and Bear Stearns went out of business, so GS, JP Morgan and the others were able to scoop up their clients and make more money than they would have otherwise.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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tight for risky companies.

You forgot to mention that Lehman and Bear Stearns went out of business, so GS, JP Morgan and the others were able to scoop up their clients and make more money than they would have otherwise.
You mean Goldman's competitors???
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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Geithner and who else?
Read the Rolling Stone article....the fedgov. was/is still riddled with former GS employees....
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:05 AM
 
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tight for risky companies.

You forgot to mention that Lehman and Bear Stearns went out of business, so GS, JP Morgan and the others were able to scoop up their clients and make more money than they would have otherwise.
Let the gov kill your competition, then take the gov money and pay your billions in bonuses - its a win-win!
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:08 AM
 
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Read the Rolling Stone article....the fedgov. was/is still riddled with former GS employees....
Ya mon, GS runs the US economy and the world
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:20 AM
 
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You mean Goldman's competitors???
two of them. Goldman's other competitors did well by the failures too.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Let the gov kill your competition, then take the gov money and pay your billions in bonuses - its a win-win!
Um, they werent GS's only competition.... but believe whatever campfire tales you want to.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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LOL...don't you find it the least bit odd that Lehman Brothers were allowed to fail but others weren't???

Especially considering who was in charge at the time?
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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LOL...don't you find it the least bit odd that Lehman Brothers were allowed to fail but others weren't???

Especially considering who was in charge at the time?
No, Lehman was caught in a perfect storm, that was underpinned by the fact that management had been in chronic disarray. Its competitors didnt need to do anything. Lehman's failure is a good example of how strong a role faith plays in trading and business -- another reason the Fed shouldnt be opened up to public scrutiny.
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