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I see that you are more concerned about spewing rubbish than being concerned about our executive branch having the power to detain people indefinitely without being charged or tried, which is a fundamental human right as expressed by our Constitution.
It is unfortunate that Obama is following Bush's footsteps regarding habeas corpus and more unfortunate that his base apathetic over this.
I think you should read my posts on the half a dozen threads on the issue before making your determination...
I think you should read my posts on the half a dozen threads on the issue before making your determination...
No, I am not going to fish through all your 2,885 posts to find out your particular stance concerning Obama's reversal concerning habeas corpus.
You are free to express them here, but you chose not to. Instead you erroneously chalked this issue up as a "right-wing" talking point to create a partisan issue out of a serious topic.
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New right wing talking point alert!!!!!
Bush and Obama are the same.
I guess all the rightwingers are now in support of Obama???
Nope, did not support Bush, do not support Obama. I love my country way too much to trust it to fools that only care about advancing their party agenda, whether it is good for us or not.
No, I am not going to fish through all your 2,885 posts to find out your particular stance concerning Obama reversal concerning habeas corpus.
You are free to express them here, but you chose not to. Instead you erroneously chalked this issue up as a "right-wing" talking point to create a partisan issue out of a serious topic.
Not one of those posts touched on the topic of Obama adopting the Orwellian policy of suspending habeas corpus. They were mainly about Pelosi's relations to torture, and whether she should be indicted for knowing about it and then blocking investigations along with the morality of waterboarding.
Not one of those posts touched on the topic of Obama adopting the Orwellian policy of suspending habeas corpus. They were mainly about Pelosi's relations to torture, and whether she should be indicted for knowing about it and then blocking investigations along with the morality of waterboarding.
Do you agree with Bates or Obama?
Habeus corpus should never be suspended unless secession or a civil war is waged IMO.
Habeas corpus is one of the most fundamental instruments in protecting individual freedom from unlawful detention by the state.
Why do you believe that it should be abandoned during a civil war or a (peaceful) secession?
Because I believe that the 14th amendment clearly state that secession is unconstitutional if not approved by a 2/3rds vote in each house of congress. Therefore those seceeding are traitors and should be treated as such.
Because I believe that the 14th amendment clearly state that secession is unconstitutional if not approved by a 2/3rds vote in each house of congress. Therefore those seceeding are traitors and should be treated as such.
The 14th Amendment does not explicitly outlaw secession. Secession is not traitorous--in fact that is how America was founded. We are a union based on voluntary association, not a union based on coercion.
There are laws regarding traitors and people accused of treasonous acts are tried. They are charged, detained, and tried.
So I will ask again. Why do you think that the state should have power to arbitrarily detain people indefinitely without being charged during a time of Civil War or secession?
The 14th Amendment does not explicitly outlaw secession. Secession is not traitorous--in fact that is how America was founded. We are a union based on voluntary association, not a union based on coercion.
There are laws regarding traitors and people accused of treason are tried. They are charged, detained, and tried.
So I will ask again. Why do you think that the state should have power to arbitrarily detain people indefinitely without being charged during a time of Civil War or secession.
Youre view of the 14th ammendment is different than mine and until the issue reaches the high courts we will never agree. Secession peaceful or not is a rebellion against the US and therfore is outlawed under the 14th amendment as states or elected officials are banned from participating in a rebellion against the union. Therefore I believe that all those that "participate" in secession are traitors and have no constitutional rights. I find it ironoc that breaking up america is american in your mind.
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