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With all this recent talk about right wing extremism I was curious how some of you would compare right wing extremist like Tim McViegh to left wing extemist such as the Weather Undeground? I'am comparing them because both used bombs and were anti the government of their time.
I would begin by saying that only one person from the 2 extremist mentioned launched the political career of a president in their living room. That same person is lovingly accepted by much of the left now. McVeigh however was a recluse and complete loner who was completely denounced for his actions by the right wing.
So one of the extremist lived on to be popular among liberals, the other experienced capital punishment and was never liked by conservatives.
"McVeigh however was a recluse and complete loner who was completely denounced for his actions by the right wing."
McVeigh denouced?
John Hawkins: You've caught a lot of heat for a couple of quotes you made. In your column three days after 9/11, you said, "We know who the homicidal maniacs are.They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." You also said in an interview with the New York Observer, "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Do you stand by those quotes or do you think that perhaps you should have phrased them differently?
Ann Coulter: Ozzy Osbourne has his bats, and I have that darn "convert them to Christianity" quote. (Thank you for giving the full quote. I have the touch, don't I?) Some may not like what I said, but I'm still waiting to hear a better suggestion.
RE: McVeigh quote. Of course I regret it. I should have added, "after everyone had left the building except the editors and reporters."
"McVeigh however was a recluse and complete loner who was completely denounced for his actions by the right wing."
McVeigh denouced?
John Hawkins: You've caught a lot of heat for a couple of quotes you made. In your column three days after 9/11, you said, "We know who the homicidal maniacs are.They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." You also said in an interview with the New York Observer, "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Do you stand by those quotes or do you think that perhaps you should have phrased them differently?
Ann Coulter: Ozzy Osbourne has his bats, and I have that darn "convert them to Christianity" quote. (Thank you for giving the full quote. I have the touch, don't I?) Some may not like what I said, but I'm still waiting to hear a better suggestion.
RE: McVeigh quote. Of course I regret it. I should have added, "after everyone had left the building except the editors and reporters."
Sooo, what how does McVeigh and the Weather Underground differ?
They don't. They both had/have idiots who idolize/whitewash thier actions. That cannot be denied.
Look, they don't differ at all. Well, they do in that McVeigh worked primarily alone. I don't believe he had a following, a cult, an organization.
The Weather Underground did.
They also differ in body count, but that was more indicative of the Weather Undergounds (thankfully) inability to make large explosives.
Their intent was the same. Neither McVeigh nor the members of the Weather Underground had any sympathy for their (potential) victims whatsoever.
And yes, McVeigh had his apologists - though they were few and far between. And crackpots, besides.
The Weather Underground still to this very day has its apologists on the C-D boards .... I recall reading long passionate posts about how 'it was the 60's man, it was all about ending Nam, man' and other bullshiit hippy rhetoric.
Anyone who would excuse bombings for any reason is an extremist and not worth the air they breathe. Luckily sane people agree, regardless of ideology.
Sooo, what how does McVeigh and the Weather Underground differ?
They don't. They both had/have idiots who idolize/whitewash thier actions. That cannot be denied.
Very true.
I would go a step farther and say they weren't idiots, but lunatics.
I would begin by saying that only one person from the 2 extremist mentioned launched the political career of a president in their living room. That same person is lovingly accepted by much of the left now. McVeigh however was a recluse and complete loner who was completely denounced for his actions by the right wing.
So one of the extremist lived on to be popular among liberals, the other experienced capital punishment and was never liked by conservatives.
+1 for you my friend, excellent points. mcveigh is despised by the right, the vile and repulsive ayers is lauded, defended, and praised by the left.
go figure.
Tim McVeigh - The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.
Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.
Which one of these is closer to the first terrorists this country had "the founding fathers?"
A willingness to use violence, hatred of the State, an ability to turn the conscience off, and perhaps most notably, a very deep sense of (perverse or negative) Romanticism.
Differences:
Class- The WU, like their counterparts in Europe, pretty much came from middle class, college educated backgrounds. McVeigh came from more of a lower class background.
While both had the same 'enemy', so to speak, they probably would have found each other's ultimate goal horrifying.
McVeigh was obviously willing to take it further than the Weathermen.
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