As if abortion wasn't disgusting enough... (worker, rant, meaning, high school)
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I am entirely in favour of responsible adults who do pop out a dozen children.
However, IMHO, while in socialist nations such as the entitlement-prone USA, it has been my observation that many adults 'pop out' children so that it does keep them on welfare.
That's been my observation as well. They think breeding is some kind of a Constitutional right, and they seem to believe that bringing more children into the world entitles them to government subsidies. I also consider the earned income tax credit ($1,000 per child) a form of welfare ... which was signed into law by none other than Mr. Articulate himself (George W. Bush).
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"Pro-life" / "Pro-death", whatever. I hate the labels. I am in favour of abortions. I am also against welfare.
Is that "liberal"? Or "Conservative"?
Neither. It's Libertarian. Although, the abortion issue is one thing that Libertarians are divided on. Most are pro choice, but some are very strongly pro life. I don't personally favor abortion when it's used for birth control. Contraception is a better alternative ... but at the same time, the government shouldn't be regulating, restricting, or banning the practice. There are too many dangers in making abortion illegal.
Cut me a break, roberta.
Have you spoken to any of these people or are you just guessing?
Don't pass your opinion off as fact.
If I were aborted, or miscarried, how would I know?
Duh.
You have a lot to learn about life....
and yes, a lot of what I say, is most certainly my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of other people in this country...you don't have to be so condiscending...and attacking everyone as if they were in some class below you....you have no idea how many women council when they're older due to the abortions they received...who have now, got a difficult time dealing with it...I know that for certian because my ex sister in law is a counselor...
and yes, certainly there are some, as yourself, who do not care...that is your perrogative....
you may talk that talk now, but when you get older, you might have another think coming to you
and your way of thinking is a perfect example of how abortion is simply a convenience...
with all the couples in the world who are dying to adopt a child...I know of two couples...sheesh, it's such a shame.
You have the right to do as you wish...but don't expect everyone to think and feel like you do on the subject...it'll never happen.
I'm in my mid-50s, I know a lot about life. Are you saying that you have kids to care for you in your old age? Pretty selfish, no?
First of all, I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Roberta's emotional post.
Secondly, not everyone thinks as you do, either.
If there are so many people waiting to adopt, why are so many kids in foster care, or unadopted?
Have you been adopting any of these unwanted kids?
Probably not.
Who are you to make policy on what another person does with their body? How does it affect you personally?
Not at all; sounds like you're a little condescending yourself.
and yes, a lot of what I say, is most certainly my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of other people in this country...you don't have to be so condiscending...and attacking everyone as if they were in some class below you....you have no idea how many women council when they're older due to the abortions they received...who have now, got a difficult time dealing with it...I know that for certian because my ex sister in law is a counselor...
and yes, certainly there are some, as yourself, who do not care...that is your perrogative....
you may talk that talk now, but when you get older, you might have another think coming to you
and your way of thinking is a perfect example of how abortion is simply a convenience...
with all the couples in the world who are dying to adopt a child...I know of two couples...sheesh, it's such a shame.
You have the right to do as you wish...but don't expect everyone to think and feel like you do on the subject...it'll never happen.
Bolding mine.
YES, you are correct in the bolded statement which is why abortions are, and should be, legal.
I'm in my mid-50s, I know a lot about life. Are you saying that you have kids to care for you in your old age? Pretty selfish, no?
I have no children taking care of me, where did you get that idea...I tried to have a child 4 times...lost 3 and almost lost my fourth. My son lives out of state and I would never expect him to take care of me. I took care of my mother until she passed away and I would never ever do that to my son.
Wow, mid 50's coulda fooled me???
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First of all, I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Roberta's emotional post.
Secondly, not everyone thinks as you do, either.
Your correct, as least we agree on one thing....
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If there are so many people waiting to adopt, why are so many kids in foster care, or unadopted?
Because the adoption agencies figured out a get rich quick scheme....sell the kids...it is very expensive and very heartbreaking...plus the mother has the right to come back and claim ownership of that child. Believe me, there are many couples who have adopted children...are you aware of the different programs of adoption that are out there?
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Have you been adopting any of these unwanted kids?
Probably not.
What does that have to do with it? I commented that in my lifetime, I've known many couples who want to adopt...
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Who are you to make policy on what another person does with their body? How does it affect you personally? Not at all; sounds like you're a little condescending yourself.
Not condiscending at all, simply talking to you as I would if we were face to face...
We're having a discussion, no need to get all defensive and nasty...
lets agree to disagree....do and believe what you wish...it's your life....
But it’s you who chooses to make all of this personal. It’s not. I think you are losing sight of the big picture.
For you and others who have miscarried, it’s very difficult, but it happens to millions of people per year. Millions.
Your emotional turmoil is not a reason to judge everyone else in the world.
Judging? I'm not judging....I haven't called anyone names (although I have been called a few), and I haven't called for making abortion illegal. I am a pragmatist, and as I have stated before, if it must be make it early as possible. My only caveat is that I feel based on my experiences that second and third trimester abortions should be illegal. And in that I am not in the minority --- many vehement prochoicers tend to get squemish on the later term abortions, and for good reason.
Now to clarify......I have had 4 miscarriages ranging between six weeks and fourteen and a half (technically, that would be second trimester but as the fetus died at twelve weeks, I keep it in the first). Those would be miscarriages.
The last pregnancy I lost was my daughter who died at twenty weeks. That is not a miscarriage. That would be termed 'fetal demise'. And yes, that is the medical and legal defination. She even has a fetal demise cetificate issued by the state ----- they don't do that for a missed period. So, yeah -- I am emotional when someone thinks that it is oh so clever to compare her with a bunion.....but its not. It is dreadfully inaccurate and highly insulting. And that isn't my opinion, that would be fact.
I'm in my mid-50s, I know a lot about life. Are you saying that you have kids to care for you in your old age? Pretty selfish, no?
First of all, I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Roberta's emotional post.
Secondly, not everyone thinks as you do, either.
If there are so many people waiting to adopt, why are so many kids in foster care, or unadopted?
Have you been adopting any of these unwanted kids?
Probably not.
Who are you to make policy on what another person does with their body? How does it affect you personally?
Not at all; sounds like you're a little condescending yourself.
I have adopted......
I must apologize, chielgirl.......I know I have explained this before, but obviously I must have mucked it up.
All those children are in foster care. It is damn near impossible to adopt thru foster care. If you do go that route, you can expect enourmous heartache as children placed in you care (who are abused/negleted) are given back to their 'parents' to be abused/neglected again. Maybe after years of this, you might get to adopt.....but by the time the state finally terminates parental rights those kids are in bad shape. I for one wasn't up to the task.
You want to blame someone for the unwanted children in foster care? Blame the social workers who believe blood is best even when blood beats the living crap out of a child, or rapes a child, or doesn't feed a child.
2: spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus before it is viable and especially between the 12th and 28th weeks of gestation.
sorry your wrong on this one. a miscarriage is a human being that a mother is intending on having and under NATURAL curcumstances looses the precious child.
an abortion is when a mother is carrying the child and he/she dies from human cause.
there is a difference. your web dictionary doesn't prove anything
nice try on devaluing a human life again.
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