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Old 12-28-2021, 01:11 AM
 
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It's simply not true. The holiday has nothing to do with black people. If it were, we would know something about it.

White liberals know more about Kwanzaa than black people do.
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Old 12-28-2021, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Huh??

Created in 1966 by Maulana Ron Karenga, a Black American scholar, and activist, Kwanzaa IS an African American and Pan-African holiday that celebrates history, values, family, community and culture.
Kwanzaa is a celebration to promote the Black culture heritage.

Kwanzaa is a time of communal self-affirmation that celebrates the Black heroes and heroines with food decoration, cultural objects, and the light of the kinara.


Maybe you should read this, because you seem to be clueless:
https://nmaahc.si.edu/kwanzaa
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/u...8478b4612.html
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:19 AM
 
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If some random person invents a holiday that doesn't make it the cultural tradition of an ethnic group.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I never celebrated Kwanzaa (or Juneteenth) a day in my life and I'm black.
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Old 12-28-2021, 03:47 AM
 
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It's simply not true. The holiday has nothing to do with black people. If it were, we would know something about it.

White liberals know more about Kwanzaa than black people do.
I'm glad people are speaking up. I recently saw on Twitter the Happy Kwanzaa from a group of left leaning celebrities. A gentleman from Africa responded what's Kwanzaa? I'm black, I live in Africa and we are about to celebrate Christmas.
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:12 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Huh??

Created in 1966 by Maulana Ron Karenga, a Black American scholar, and activist, Kwanzaa IS an African American and Pan-African holiday that celebrates history, values, family, community and culture.
Kwanzaa is a celebration to promote the Black culture heritage.

Kwanzaa is a time of communal self-affirmation that celebrates the Black heroes and heroines with food decoration, cultural objects, and the light of the kinara.


Maybe you should read this, because you seem to be clueless:
https://nmaahc.si.edu/kwanzaa
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/u...8478b4612.html
I’m all for any holiday, I love an excuse to have a party with fun food and decorations. I’m pretty much willing to celebrate along with anyone who has something to celebrate. This one particular holiday, though, nope. Holidays should be organic and this was one was forced. As a black American I found it offensive that he was implying I wasn’t also an American or Christian for whom Christmas had meaning because of the color of my skin or that this guy decided our own hermitage and culture was so shallow that he could come up with an authentic thing to celebrate, like you know Juneteenth. Kwanzaa was more about saying as a black person that I shouldn’t celebrate Christmas, not something positive. And, by the way, not all people of Africa share the same culture, Kwanzaa at best is a nod to western African culture - a culture very different from interior African culture, where many slaves also initially originated and from where they were captured by West African slave merchants.

I have never had a fellow black person express any kind of Kwanzaa greetings towards me, just patronizing white people who were really just secretly congratulating themselves for being so enlightened. Please don’t foist this faux holiday on me.
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:16 AM
 
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Kwanzaa is a celebration to promote the Black culture heritage.
...can you imagine the screaming that would go on....if someone invented a holiday to celebrate white culture heritage....LOL
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Old 12-28-2021, 04:24 AM
 
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But St Patrick's Day is historically accurate, right?

Kiss me, I'm Irish!
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Old 12-28-2021, 05:45 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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It's right up there with Festivus.
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Old 12-28-2021, 05:47 AM
 
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Huh??

Created in 1966 by Maulana Ron Karenga, a Black American scholar, and activist, Kwanzaa IS an African American and Pan-African holiday that celebrates history, values, family, community and culture.
Kwanzaa is a celebration to promote the Black culture heritage.

Kwanzaa is a time of communal self-affirmation that celebrates the Black heroes and heroines with food decoration, cultural objects, and the light of the kinara.


Maybe you should read this, because you seem to be clueless:
https://nmaahc.si.edu/kwanzaa
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/u...8478b4612.html
Karenga was a useful idiot of the FBI and CIA, his United Slaves were most famous for killing two Black Panthers on the UCLA campus in 1969, and his own stint in prison came from the following actions, as described by one of his victims:
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Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters.
The "seven principles of African Heritage" in Kwanzaa were lifted from the Communist Manifesto, not some ancient African scrolls or whatever Karenga claims. It's simple Marxist collectivism and authoritarianism with some "pan-African" wrapping.

It's pure made-up nonsense on par with Frank Costanza's "Festivus" (EDIT - saw TMSRetired's post after I wrote this, so credit to them for saying it first), except with a more violent history, like being borrowed by the SLA as their motto (think the Patty Hearst photo from 1974). And worse, it preaches collectivism and submission to authority, just with pretty words. That makes it insidious, destructive nonsense.

Karenga is a vile, sadistic human being and got a race huckster career provided by the FBI in their quest to divide and discredit any sort of black nationalism movements in the 1960s, using his United Slaves as outsourced mercenaries.

Before you make someone a hero, might want to read their origin story.
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