Ukraine …why is Ukraine important to the US ? (salary, weapon, school)
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"Putin framed the ensuing tumult of Euromaidan, which forced Yanukovych from power, as a Western-backed “fascist coup” that endangered the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea. (Western leaders dismissed this as baseless propaganda reminiscent of the Soviet era.)"
Don't you love it.
No people burned alive by the Ukrainian nationalists in Odessa, no attack on Crimeans in Korsun-Shevchenko, no countless civilians murdered in Donbass, no draconian laws prohibiting to speak Russian for its native speakers - of course not, it's all figment of imagination, "baseless propaganda."
It's another thing that when Putin pointed at endangered lives of the Crimeans, the people of Donbass were endangered in the same way, but he pretended they were not.
A hypocrisy at its best from his side, but that's a whole different story.
“I” don’t think that the Ukraine is all that important to US policy, but due to Biden’s less than solid foreign policies AND the execution of those failed policies has put him in a box where his credibility is being challenged. Yes, Putin has openly challenged the entire Biden Administration, but China and Iran was watching very closely to see if Biden will make another blunder.
I really don’t know who is really in charge at the White House, but I’m not convinced that Biden is actually calling all the shots, so our main rivals are testing him to see if he has the will and the strength to stand against them. Also, our traditional allies are watching very closely as well. After Biden’s most disastrous retreat from Afghanistan, the Germans and all the other European Union members are also watching Biden to see if he will fold up like a cheap suit. IMHO, Biden basically destroyed the credibility of the United States in less than one year.
As of today, I haven’t really dug into what was said during the Biden/Putin meeting, since Unfortunately, I don’t believe or trust the American media system one bit, so I waiting to see that the British and Australian media has to say what really happened and if any agreement was made. I don’t believe Biden was direct with Putin since Biden has great difficulties in communicating in a clear and functional manner. As for Sec of State, Anthony Blinken, he is equally incompetent and has zero credibility on the world stage as well.
What I’ve learn since January 20th, 2020, is not to have any great faith in this Biden Administration. Honestly, Biden will continue everything he touches and I can accept that, “I,” as an individual pray that he doesn’t get us into another major war, with a major military power.
I’m the end, it’s Biden’s credibility that now on the line AND he, the media or big tech can’t blame anybody else for his own failures this time since he owns 100% of it.
It's OK, they are already done talking, and by certain indications coming from Washington at this point, Biden made some concessions in exchange for Putin's promise ( I assume) to not to attack Ukraine.
It looks like the diplomatic relations between Russia and US are going to be restored after all, and the negotiations will continue on different levels.
It looks like the new ambassador is going to be appointed to Ukraine, which might signal the US change of course all together when it comes to Ukraine.
If it's a case, amen to all that.
At least that's the preliminary report I hear so far from the Eastern Ukraine.
My understanding is half of people in Ukraine identify to Russia and half to the west. I don't want my country the U.S.A involved in that powder keg for a country that is nowhere near American soil or interests. Besides they are not part of NATO we have no duty to get involved.
Besides America has it's own domestic problems with a portion of it's people and most of the democratic party looking to end the government as it has been and bring in socialism. I'm more concerned with that.
And therein lies the problem for sleepy Joe.
As illustrated in this thread, most Americans don't really know what the issue is with Russia and Ukraine, and it will be a very hard sell to justify American involvement.
As illustrated in this thread, most Americans don't really know what the issue is with Russia and Ukraine, and it will be a very hard sell to justify American involvement.
I think this is a good example why Americans with brains need to keep closer eye on what politicians are concocting behind the closed doors internationally, ( not only domestically,) since the media that sells their stories to public can't be trusted any longer.
I'm just surprised that he Russians have let it come to this. The Problem with Ukraine is simmering for over 7 years, now. Why is the FSB not just staging a coup in Kiev and get a Ukrainian Leader installed that is pro Russian? Just like Janukovitsch.
I'm just surprised that he Russians have let it come to this. The Problem with Ukraine is simmering for over 7 years, now. Why is the FSB not just staging a coup in Kiev and get a Ukrainian Leader installed that is pro Russian? Just like Janukovitsch.
Because Putin's Russia is something else, and not too many Ukrainians want to be part of it, even when faced with a tough choice.
Some of course would prefer to be part of Russia ( given the choice between Ukrainian nationalism and.. well... Putin's crony capitalism - it all depends on the region.)
But overall this wouldn't be an easy task for FSB at this point ( to change the government in Kiev.)
Just brainstorming on the Ukraine, it might be in Americas best interest to let it go. The Clintons made millions in a deal to sell half of Americas uranium through the Ukraine to Russia, Hunter Biden is on the board of energy companies and who knows what other funny business is happening with the corrupt Dems. Trump gets impeached when he legally inquires about some of the business dealings happening there.
You inadvertently answered the question here. THIS is why we we are going. The Pentagon needs a war to keep it operating at full capacity. Geez, one Congressperson (and I need to find out who) is talking nukes. We won't defend OUR southern border but we are defending Ukraine's?
Tucker did an interesting monologue about it. He said there is no way Russia is trying to take over Western Europe. NATO was started to defend Western Europe from the USSR which no longer exists so why does NATO still exist?
Corrupt politicians are going to get us into yet another useless, unwinnable war.
Trump was the ONLY President in the last decade that didn't get us into some kind of war.
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