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Old 06-21-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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Switzerland carefully crafted 3 Green measures to comply with the Paris Accords. 2 went down in flames and the one that was most important narrowly lost 49% in favor to 51% against.

The shock was that it was the older people voting for the Green measure and youth voted it down with 60% of the 18 to 34 crowd voting against the most important measure that narrowly lost.

Many of the youths say the economy is still fragile and that they can't take another hit on the economy with these measures.

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Old 06-21-2021, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Better send in Gretta to shame them and give them dirty looks!
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Old 06-21-2021, 12:24 PM
 
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Europe has been trending rightward since the financial crisis.

I think it's because their sclerotic economies are very discriminatory against young workers, and very discriminatory in favor of older, established workers.

They may finally be seeing through the altruistic appeals and reject policies that put most of the costs on young workers.
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Old 06-21-2021, 12:28 PM
 
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Europe has been trending rightward since the financial crisis.

I think it's because their sclerotic economies are very discriminatory against young workers, and very discriminatory in favor of older, established workers.

They may finally be seeing through the altruistic appeals and reject policies that put most of the costs on young workers.
Pendulum effect, same here. Swing left a little, swing right a little. Every gets to claim victory when nothing actually changed. This is universal law.
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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Honestly I sometimes wonder how "green" a lot of these green initiatives are.

https://twitter.com/adoolan34/status...39545937862658

It seems to me if we wanted to be green we'd engineer and construct products to last and manufacture less things but instead we have a disposable culture where people want new things all the time. It seems to me there's a lot of talk about being green but when it comes right down to it, more often than not we do things like this...

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/9...y-nike-h-and-m
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:57 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Switzerland carefully crafted 3 Green measures to comply with the Paris Accords. 2 went down in flames and the one that was most important narrowly lost 49% in favor to 51% against.

The shock was that it was the older people voting for the Green measure and youth voted it down with 60% of the 18 to 34 crowd voting against the most important measure that narrowly lost.

Many of the youths say the economy is still fragile and that they can't take another hit on the economy with these measures.

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Because all these green measures are hitting that group 18-34 right in their wallets.
Lack of money talks....
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:58 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Honestly I sometimes wonder how "green" a lot of these green initiatives are.

https://twitter.com/adoolan34/status...39545937862658

It seems to me if we wanted to be green we'd engineer and construct products to last and manufacture less things but instead we have a disposable culture where people want new things all the time. It seems to me there's a lot of talk about being green but when it comes right down to it, more often than not we do things like this...

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/9...y-nike-h-and-m
A disposable culture is just what corporations want so they have a constant revenue stream.
Gone are the days when a fridge, washer, dryer lasted 25 years.

I must be the only one left in the US to still be using an old fashioned mop that you wring and dry out.
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:02 AM
 
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Intelligence in the younger folks of Switzerland. That's a good thing. Maybe it will spread. It's got a long way to go before it reaches the US... but it's a start.


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A disposable culture is just what corporations want so they have a constant revenue stream.
Gone are the days when a fridge, washer, dryer lasted 25 years.

I must be the only one left in the US to still be using an old fashioned mop that you wring and dry out.
I'm still using a fridge that my parents bought in the late 1970s. Still works great. Yes, things used to last. That fridge is lasting better than me.
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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Switzerland Voters Reject Green Measures - Shock Election, Millennials and Gen Z vote it down.

Cool! The more propaganda the climate cult spews... the more people are ignoring them!
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:13 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Switzerland Voters Reject Green Measures - Shock Election, Millennials and Gen Z vote it down.

Cool! The more propaganda the climate cult spews... the more people are ignoring them!
It's money. It always comes down to money.


From the OP's link:

-A referendum saw voters narrowly reject the government's plans for a car fuel levy and a tax on air tickets.

-A proposal to outlaw artificial pesticides, and another to improve drinking water by giving subsidies only to farmers who eschew chemicals
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