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Old 05-09-2021, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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Democrats seem to be joyous watching sane Republicans fight off the Trump/Q crowd. I can't stand Trump, nor the wobbly kneed GOPers that follow him, but not sure this is all going to end well for the Dems. I voted for Biden, but have been disappointed in what a shill he is for the unions. Just as Trump appeased Putin, Biden doesn't mumble through a speech without hoping he didn't offend the AFL-CIO. I also don't like this "trust the experts" nonsense when so many experts have made so many incorrect prognostications. The head of the CDC used scientific words like "scared" and "impending doom" right before cases dropped significantly.

I also support increased legal immigration caps. But Biden's scared to do that too aggressively because the unions hate that. And to make matters worse, he and Kamala have no plan to address the chaos down there. I know Trump caused it, but please make an effort to fix it without silly excuses.

I don't want the society of the 1950s, which some GOPers want, nor do I want the economy of the 1950s, which the Dems and unions want. As an independent, I'm not tilting Dem one bit because of the Cheney repudiation, because the Dems are not offering much of an alternative.
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Old 05-09-2021, 10:50 PM
 
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The Trumpanistas dont seem all that bothered whether we retain a democracy, as long as they retain power.

So do you want a democracy where you actually still get to vote for president like in the 1950s????

I dont care about Biden that much, only voted him as an alternative to a neo-fascist Trumpanista dictatorship. And dont give me BS that Biden is a communist. He is as much communist as I am a Martian. What he is, is an old fashion American RIGHT OF CENTER corporate apologist. Just like BOTH the Republicans and Democrats USED TO BE. But instead of trying to appeal to a wider group of people, the Trumpanista crowd want to limit who votes and if that isnt enough to make up for whites becoming a minority, they want a dictatorship and apartheid.

And its not Biden idealism that will bring back unions and progressive politics, its stagnating wages for all but the rich and now INFLATION with housing/rents zooming exponentially. When greed gets to the point it chants "Let em eat cake" then socialism is on its way. Too much greed gets an equal and opposite reaction from those being trodden on. The anti-socialists bring on a demand for socialism by their own selfish actions.
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Old 05-09-2021, 10:53 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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You knew what Biden stood for when you voted — don’t act surprised. You voted correctly but you won’t get all that you want, few of us do and most of us know that. The country decided to expel Trump and you were on the right side.

The country needs a rational and reality based conservative party to engage the Democrats on policy issues. A middle-right party is needed but the Republicans have been off the rails since Reagan and badly in need of a serious reset long before Trump inflicted the lobotomy that is Trumpism.
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Old 05-09-2021, 10:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Democrats seem to be joyous watching sane Republicans fight off the Trump/Q crowd. I can't stand Trump, nor the wobbly kneed GOPers that follow him, but not sure this is all going to end well for the Dems. I voted for Biden, but have been disappointed in what a shill he is for the unions. Just as Trump appeased Putin, Biden doesn't mumble through a speech without hoping he didn't offend the AFL-CIO. I also don't like this "trust the experts" nonsense when so many experts have made so many incorrect prognostications. The head of the CDC used scientific words like "scared" and "impending doom" right before cases dropped significantly.

I also support increased legal immigration caps. But Biden's scared to do that too aggressively because the unions hate that. And to make matters worse, he and Kamala have no plan to address the chaos down there. I know Trump caused it, but please make an effort to fix it without silly excuses.

I don't want the society of the 1950s, which some GOPers want, nor do I want the economy of the 1950s, which the Dems and unions want. As an independent, I'm not tilting Dem one bit because of the Cheney repudiation, because the Dems are not offering much of an alternative.
It means all the RINO's who's time is up, are not going to run again, or they will be primaried and replace with Constitutionalist, that got Trump's approval.... WATCH
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Old 05-09-2021, 10:58 PM
 
Location: The Sunshine State of Mind
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And to make matters worse, he and Kamala have no plan to address the chaos down there. I know Trump caused it, but please make an effort to fix it without silly excuses.
Seems to me that had Joe just left things as they were with regards to the border, he wouldn't be in the mess he's in. Joe owns that due to his EO.

The current border chaos is the fault of biden &/or his handlers.
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Old 05-09-2021, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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And its not Biden idealism that will bring back unions and progressive politics
Modern day unions have led to inflated pensions, huge state liabilities, bad cops who get protected, and here in California, teachers who refuse to teach. Public sector unions have done nothing to create "equality", but they've greatly reduced the levels of service the public receives. You're dreaming if you think Biden and the AFL-CIO can do something about a service economy where the high demand/low supply of software engineers and other high skilled professions creates inequality over fast food workers.

What would make a ton more sense would be to expand health care coverage for people who don't want to join unions, nor pay their dues. But Biden seems to focus policy on what unions want, not what average people need.
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Old 05-09-2021, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The Trumpanistas dont seem all that bothered whether we retain a democracy, as long as they retain power.

So do you want a democracy where you actually still get to vote for president like in the 1950s????

I dont care about Biden that much, only voted him as an alternative to a neo-fascist Trumpanista dictatorship. And dont give me BS that Biden is a communist. He is as much communist as I am a Martian. What he is, is an old fashion American RIGHT OF CENTER corporate apologist. Just like BOTH the Republicans and Democrats USED TO BE. But instead of trying to appeal to a wider group of people, the Trumpanista crowd want to limit who votes and if that isnt enough to make up for whites becoming a minority, they want a dictatorship and apartheid.

And its not Biden idealism that will bring back unions and progressive politics, its stagnating wages for all but the rich and now INFLATION with housing/rents zooming exponentially. When greed gets to the point it chants "Let em eat cake" then socialism is on its way. Too much greed gets an equal and opposite reaction from those being trodden on. The anti-socialists bring on a demand for socialism by their own selfish actions.

Finally a seemingly well educated, accurate comment about the current state of affairs. I was starting to get really sick of the GOP fear mongering that seems pervasive on much of the political side of this forum these days. The fact is that Trump held a cult of personality type sway over a large portion of poorly educated white folks with a persecution complex who ate every single lie and misdirection he spouted with a smile on their face. The Trumpets never wanted democracy or fairness, only power and to maintain an illusion that was never true about America, and the rash of various anti voting bills across places like Georgia only serve to prove their intentions.
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Old 05-09-2021, 11:02 PM
 
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It means all the RINO's who's time is up, are not going to run again, or they will be primaried and replace with Constitutionalist, that got Trump's approval.... WATCH
The Constitution of the Russian Federation? Trump hates our constitution and our country. He wants allegiance to him the way he pledged allegiance to Putin.
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Old 05-09-2021, 11:07 PM
 
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The fact is that Trump held a cult of personality type sway over a large portion of poorly educated white folks with a persecution complex who ate every single lie and misdirection he spouted with a smile on their face.
Agree. But then on the left there's a cult of worship for "experts" who have been proven wrong time after time and confuse the ability to treat a patient with the ability to prognosticate about the public health impact of a virus. They then add to the silliness by virtue signaling with their post-vaccination outdoor masks and power tripping needs to tell others what to do.

There was cult of personality with Reagan, Clinton, and Obama as well, not a partisan thing. People on both sides and at all education levels have proven they'll act like sheep and get emotionally invested in politicians even when it goes against their best interests.
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Old 05-09-2021, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Agree. But then on the left there's a cult of worship for "experts" who have been proven wrong time after time and confuse the ability to treat a patient with the ability to prognosticate about the public health impact of a virus. They then add to the silliness by virtue signaling with their post-vaccination outdoor masks and power tripping needs to tell others what to do.

There was cult of personality with Reagan, Clinton, and Obama as well, not a partisan thing. People on both sides and at all education levels have proven they'll act like sheep and get emotionally invested in politicians even when it goes against their best interests.

Having lived in both a heavily conservative area and a heavily liberal area, I can attest (at least anecdotally) that conservatives are at least moderately more prone to falling for the cult of personality behavior. There are absolutely stubborn fringes on either side who will vote against their own interests to their grave if it means 'besting the other side', but in my experience the average liberal is mildly more interested in fact checking and at least listening to other viewpoints. Again, just anecdotal evidence but thought it worth sharing.


The problem with this virus is we knew nothing about it and had to trust in people's best educated guesses and essentially watch the scientific method publicly unfold in real time which is why some 'experts' early on got things wrong, or at least not totally accurate right away. Needless virtue signalling is absolutely a problem, but I'm not sure that the post-vaxx mask wearing falls under that category, given that one can still absolutely carry the virus post-vaxx and still pass it on to others. Personally, I'm much more inclined to listen to someone who spent years of their life studying such pathogens other some opinionated news or talk show host, even if they might get things wrong.
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