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Old 04-22-2021, 07:12 AM
 
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It's gross as hell, but there's no 13 year-old girls open for a quick bang from an old man, anywhere. They invented a prosecutable honeypot situation that wouldn't really happen outside of their investigation. Also, some guys are just ***ny as hell, I think they could have had the crew posing as an 80 year-old woman and 80% of the men would go for it.


If you don't think it's entrapment it's because you're focusing on the criminal and not on the investigators. It's not zero sum, i.e. BOTH can be in the wrong. The severity of the crime shouldn't make the people investigating immune to criticism.
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Old 04-22-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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California has recently passed many laws lessening charges or eliminating laws on pedophilia. A good chunk of the elite Democrats are pedophiles.
Without a source to the law changes, how are we to know this isn't something you read off some crackpot blog or radio show or heard incorrectly?

Include a link to the laws.
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Old 04-22-2021, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I kinda thought that was the point.

That this is not a fake show and this is Real, and in your Neighborhood!

And to stop (*&)ing around with underage boys and girls.
Not to the level that it got to, though. I’m sure the producers weren’t banking on an on camera suicide (yes, behind closed doors but the point remains). The real world intent was shaming people via encounters at the supposed underaged person’s home and subsequent legal proceedings, not death on air.
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:01 AM
 
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I kinda thought that was the point.

That this is not a fake show and this is Real, and in your Neighborhood!

And to stop (*&)ing around with underage boys and girls.
Ya know, thats the goal of TV producers and writers of 'Reality' tv...TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK ITS ALL REAL WHEN ITS NOT.


Its kind of like the TV judge shows....while technically, they are real judges and real cases...but its very different from a normal courtroom.


**You may be surprised to see what happened to to many of those people 'caught' on the show!
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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Because you cant arrest someone from something they didnt do.
Of course you can.

Now, there is a line you can't cross in entrapment, and drawing that is tricky even for legal professionals - and I'm not one of those - so I'm not going to go into whether that specific show actually crossed the line. Normally the jump-off point is whether the defendant was inclined to commit the crime anyway.

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Old 04-22-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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Not to the level that it got to, though. I’m sure the producers weren’t banking on an on camera suicide (yes, behind closed doors but the point remains). The real world intent was shaming people via encounters at the supposed underaged person’s home and subsequent legal proceedings, not death on air.
Nope, the real intent was entertainment, and to sell advertising.


The fact so many believe it was real only shows the producers had a good idea.


(also, if you can find a video of the show, watch the credits and look for 'writers').
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:05 AM
 
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California has recently passed many laws lessening charges or eliminating laws on pedophilia.
Nah. Stop listening to those radio shows, they leave you less informed.
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:10 AM
 
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It's gross as hell, but there's no 13 year-old girls open for a quick bang from an old man, anywhere. They invented a prosecutable honeypot situation that wouldn't really happen outside of their investigation. Also, some guys are just ***ny as hell, I think they could have had the crew posing as an 80 year-old woman and 80% of the men would go for it.


If you don't think it's entrapment it's because you're focusing on the criminal and not on the investigators. It's not zero sum, i.e. BOTH can be in the wrong. The severity of the crime shouldn't make the people investigating immune to criticism.


I am a probation officer, and I deal with sex offenders specifically - people who have been put on probation(for a sex crime) instead of being put in prison.

You would be surprised how often this happens. Social media makes it so easy.

Sometimes, I get people who were actually meeting the police. And, it was a sting.

Sometimes, I get people who actually did it - they are older and met a teenager for sex that they met on social media. Then, the parents eventually find out and want the older person prosecuted.

A good majority of new sex offenders I have been getting in the last 5 or 6 years tend to be of this category.

Sometimes it is amazing how fast some of these guys want to meet up for sex.

Sometimes it takes weeks or months to work up to it. Sometimes less than an hour....
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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Yes you can, in most jurisdictions it’s against the law to SOLICIT sex with a minor.

There were no minors involved. I know it's possible that they THOUGHT they were talking to a minor but then we get into the area of thought crimes.
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Old 04-22-2021, 09:17 AM
 
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Nope, the real intent was entertainment, and to sell advertising.


The fact so many believe it was real only shows the producers had a good idea.


(also, if you can find a video of the show, watch the credits and look for 'writers').
That’s a given with any broadcast television as they have to pay the bills and produce for shareholders. I was simply referring to the real world factor as a means to achieving that end, which in this case centered on shaming people and seeing things through to incarceration or charges otherwise. Yes it’s also entertaining to many people, and I would wager that the show would have continued to be wildly popular. But that is not the kind of entertainment that NBC was looking for and it opened the network up to way too much liability.
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