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Old 06-01-2021, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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But for some countries, a less effective vaccine is better than nothing. It's not as if the US sent over Pfizer.
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:09 AM
 
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Considering how Obama/Biden decided to fund Covid virus testing in China rather than a trusted facility in the United States and China had all the time in the world to test vaccines against the Obama/Biden/Xi virus, it's amazing they do not have the best vaccine of all.
Not really, because China did not have more time to test vaccines at all. The Wuhan lab is not a pharma company. The Chinese started from scratch just like elsewhere.
The Pfizer-BioNTech/Moderna approach is different, that is why those two have higher efficacy. But not that much higher, it depends on the strains.
China's vaccine based on the BioNTech approach is in the final testing phase.
But they also have started to administer another vaccine recently, one that only requires one dose and works very well. I like those one-dose vaccines because they save a whole lot of time, especially when there already is an outbreak. You don't have to wait for a month or two until the full immunity kicks in. Not to mention the simplified logistics and lower material waste (syringes etc.).
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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But for some countries, a less effective vaccine is better than nothing. It's not as if the US sent over Pfizer.
Yes, they sent millions of AZ doses, but only because AZ has not even been approved so far in the US, it was just eating up space in vaccine fridges...

I suppose now that the US vaccination campaign is stalling, the US might engage in vaccine diplomacy and ship Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna as well, especially to geopolitically promising countries such as India.
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:14 AM
 
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I would read this... I have read similar news stories over the last month, but this one is pretty detailed and explains things better:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/va...angerous-toxin

No way would I get that shot....
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:39 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I would read this... I have read similar news stories over the last month, but this one is pretty detailed and explains things better:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/va...angerous-toxin

No way would I get that shot....

So, that problem affects all current vaccines? Everyone knows about the AZ problem, but also with Pfizer and Moderna?!

Is that a serious site or one of those fake news mills?
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Old 06-01-2021, 11:47 AM
 
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So, that problem affects all current vaccines? Everyone knows about the AZ problem, but also with Pfizer and Moderna?!

Is that a serious site or one of those fake news mills?
I don't know, but I have read many similar articles the last few weeks. This one gives more details about "why" they are dangerous and "why" people are having issues.

The "fake news mills" is actually the MSM. You won't find anything like this on normal, mainstream news.

You choose what to believe...

Here was an article from last week from the same website:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/af...hs-disappeared
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:21 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I don't know, but I have read many similar articles the last few weeks. This one gives more details about "why" they are dangerous and "why" people are having issues.

The "fake news mills" is actually the MSM. You won't find anything like this on normal, mainstream news.

You choose what to believe...

Here was an article from last week from the same website:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/af...hs-disappeared
Taking that drug has been disadvised by various countries.
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:29 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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Not really, because China did not have more time to test vaccines at all. The Wuhan lab is not a pharma company. The Chinese started from scratch just like elsewhere.
The Pfizer-BioNTech/Moderna approach is different, that is why those two have higher efficacy. But not that much higher, it depends on the strains.
China's vaccine based on the BioNTech approach is in the final testing phase.
But they also have started to administer another vaccine recently, one that only requires one dose and works very well. I like those one-dose vaccines because they save a whole lot of time, especially when there already is an outbreak. You don't have to wait for a month or two until the full immunity kicks in. Not to mention the simplified logistics and lower material waste (syringes etc.).
What I am saying is the Obama/Biden/Xi virus was developed in the China lab so they should have had a head start on everyone else. Especially as the W.H.O. was actively helping China hide the fact the virus was out.
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:39 PM
 
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are we talking about the same virus? when does the Trump virus become Obama/biden virus?


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What I am saying is the Obama/Biden/Xi virus was developed in the China lab so they should have had a head start on everyone else. Especially as the W.H.O. was actively helping China hide the fact the virus was out.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:11 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What I am saying is the Obama/Biden/Xi virus was developed in the China lab so they should have had a head start on everyone else. Especially as the W.H.O. was actively helping China hide the fact the virus was out.
Sorry, that is just a wild claim. The world is still waiting for proof. The WHO has already complained about the way such political propaganda is poisoning the research.
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