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Old 12-12-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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And you want to jab your arm with this poison?

That was self preservation. Sorry. No transparency there.
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Old 12-12-2020, 12:53 PM
 
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Hate to say it but I agree. They should 'authorize' with somekind of asterisk or flatout be honest emphasizing the point this drug was expediated through normal procedure or something to that effect. To give the standard rubber stamp seal of approval is posturing.
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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And you want to jab your arm with this poison?
(sigh)

For the umpteenth time:
The difference between this vaccine's testing, and the testing of previous vaccines, is that with previous ones the test subjects were left to live ordinary lives, with only a small number of them coming into contact with people carrying the disease on a pretty random basis.

With this Covid vaccine, the test subjects were deliberately exposed to the virus, after getting it all explained to them and they signed acknowledgement and waivers. It produced go/no go results much more quickly, in a few months instead of a few years.

The quality and accuracy of the results was just as good, if not better, than the long-term, wait-and-see tests.

This has been explained many times on this forum.

And yet we still get empty-headed, hysterical fearmongers screaming that the vaccine is a "poison".

How many of the fearmongers will even realize how much blood they have on their own hands when some gullible people believe them and decide not to get the vaccine, and wind up dead from Covid when they could have survived?
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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This particular vaccine was well known to be fast-tracked to approval, because the data was overwhelmingly good.


Trump only now created this situation right before it was about to be approved in the coming days anyways.

He is looking to take credit for the approval and create partisan divisions he can abuse.

At most he is speeding up the approval by a couple days and only made this ultimatum when it was 'safe' for him to do so.


That isn't to say what Trump is doing is good or safe, but he is playing games with something that was known to well well on its way to fast approval.
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Hate to say it but I agree. They should 'authorize' with somekind of asterisk or flatout be honest emphasizing the point this drug was expediated through normal procedure or something to that effect. To give the standard rubber stamp seal of approval is posturing.
It should be noted this is NOT the standard approval, this is an Emergency Use Authorization, all the vaccines will still go though a longer process to get a full approval. I plan on waiting until then.
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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This particular vaccine was well known to be fast-tracked to approval, because the data was overwhelmingly good.
And the way it was known to be so overwhelmingly good, so quickly (months instead of years), was that Trump got a lot of time-wasting government regulations out of the scientists' faces and left them free to develop and test vaccines.

If he hadn't, we'd still be expecting a Covid-19 vaccine a few years from now, instead of a few days.
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Old 12-12-2020, 01:35 PM
 
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(sigh)

For the umpteenth time:
The difference between this vaccine's testing, and the testing of previous vaccines, is that with previous ones the test subjects were left to live ordinary lives, with only a small number of them coming into contact with people carrying the disease on a pretty random basis.

With this Covid vaccine, the test subjects were deliberately exposed to the virus, after getting it all explained to them and they signed acknowledgement and waivers. It produced go/no go results much more quickly, in a few months instead of a few years.

The quality and accuracy of the results was just as good, if not better, than the long-term, wait-and-see tests.

This has been explained many times on this forum.

And yet we still get empty-headed, hysterical fearmongers screaming that the vaccine is a "poison".

How many of the fearmongers will even realize how much blood they have on their own hands when some gullible people believe them and decide not to get the vaccine, and wind up dead from Covid when they could have survived?
I dont believe this is correct for the vaccines developed to date.

Do you have a link that shows it to be true?

My understanding that the so called challenge studies you are referencing may be conducted in the future......I think the Brits have something starting in January for other vaccines and we may be involved via NIH to develop strains of the virus for them to use.
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Old 12-12-2020, 02:43 PM
 
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And you want to jab your arm with this poison?

That was self preservation. Sorry. No transparency there.

I thought the left was supposed to be about transparency, yet no link? So we should just believe you?
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Old 12-12-2020, 03:31 PM
 
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Hate to say it but I agree. They should 'authorize' with somekind of asterisk or flatout be honest emphasizing the point this drug was expediated through normal procedure or something to that effect. To give the standard rubber stamp seal of approval is posturing.
You do realize they didnt give Pfizer a standard rubber stamp seal of approval dont you? They got an Emergency Use Authorization.
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Old 12-12-2020, 03:35 PM
 
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This particular vaccine was well known to be fast-tracked to approval, because the data was overwhelmingly good.


Trump only now created this situation right before it was about to be approved in the coming days anyways.

He is looking to take credit for the approval and create partisan divisions he can abuse.

At most he is speeding up the approval by a couple days and only made this ultimatum when it was 'safe' for him to do so.


That isn't to say what Trump is doing is good or safe, but he is playing games with something that was known to well well on its way to fast approval.
Trump being Trump. Why would that influence anyone's decision whether or not to take the vaccine.

No different than Cuomo saying he didnt trust it then moving himself to the front of the line saying he'll take it on tv.

No different than 3 former presidents stating they'll take it on tv.

Why would you care what any politician says about it. They had nothing to do with testing it or reviewing it.
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