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Old 10-15-2020, 09:31 AM
 
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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AZ is not a blue state. At best it is a swing state.

Can't really call it a blue state unless it has voted blue in a few election cycles in a row.
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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Hopefully never unless the liberal lunatics from California invade them and then try and turn those places into the liberal cesspool they came from. People in Utah and Idaho (and I would also add Nevada & Wyoming) do NOT like California or the people that come from there.

Californians, for the most part, are rude ignorant cretins that should stay where they are.
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:38 AM
 
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Completely different demographics and growth. Arizona has an infinitely larger Hispanic population. It also has huge influxes of retirees from the Midwest and east and large influxes of workers from California. It is also a state where metro and suburban populations hold sway as opposed to rural voters. The other big difference is that Utah is the huge population center for LDS where as Arizona is very diverse religiously. Trump also picked fights with two popular politicians in Arizona- McCain and Flake. He won among Rs but the problem is those two could win Rs and the middle, while Trump cannot. So the big question is if Arizona is tilting R thanks to Hispanics starting to vote in larger numbers, transplants, and shifting suburban voters or if it is basically just less enamored of Trump than regular Rs. We'll really need to see how both this election and 2024 shakeout to know.
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:42 AM
 
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Completely different demographics and growth. Arizona has an infinitely larger Hispanic population. It also has huge influxes of retirees from the Midwest and east and large influxes of workers from California. It is also a state where metro and suburban populations hold sway as opposed to rural voters. The other big difference is that Utah is the huge population center for LDS where as Arizona is very diverse religiously. Trump also picked fights with two popular politicians in Arizona- McCain and Flake. He won among Rs but the problem is those two could win Rs and the middle, while Trump cannot. So the big question is if Arizona is tilting R thanks to Hispanics starting to vote in larger numbers, transplants, and shifting suburban voters or if it is basically just less enamored of Trump than regular Rs. We'll really need to see how both this election and 2024 shakeout to know.
The hispanic population in AZ leans R? Wouldn't the hispanic population voting in greater numbers benefit Dems in AZ? It's not like Florida with all the Cubans, who do vote R consistently.
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:45 AM
 
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Idaho never. Utah....maybe in a decade or 2. Young Mormons are fleeing the amoral GOP
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:45 AM
 
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False claim. Why are you making stuff up.
“Since AZ is now a blue state”
Gimme a break
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:53 AM
 
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Arizona was always a libertarian state. Red, but not socially conservative, mostly fiscally. Live and let live vibe. I can see why they're changing after 4 yrs of brash T.
I don't see Utah going blue, strong religion runs deep there, Mormons. Idaho, never, red for life.
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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Part of the reason Arizona is starting to tilt blue is that many young Hispanics in Arizona are very liberal. They are a key reason why Bernie Sanders ("Tio Bernie" they called him) got 33% of the vote in the primary, a very respectable showing. A similar cohort of young hispanics helped propel Sanders to victory in the Nevada caucus. That said, I'm not aware of similar groups of significant size in Idaho or Utah.
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Old 10-15-2020, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Arizona is a mostly metropolitan state with a diverse population, including a huge number of transplants from California, and these factors have correlated to increased Democratic support, which may finally bear fruit next month if Biden carries the state and Kelly captures the McCain senate seat to serve alongside Sinema.

In the event Arizona does become a predominantly blue state, I think the next Western state to switch over would be Alaska rather than Utah or Idaho. Alaska is much less socially conservative, more diverse without a sizable white rural population, and one of their current senators (Murkowski) is an unusually independent Republican who is willing to break with Trump and the party line on many issues. Most members of Congress from Utah (Romney aside) and Idaho are very standard Republicans.
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