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Old 12-09-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Brian Baird was rep for the WA 3rd congressional district, which is the SW corner of the state. I've seen it termed a 'swing district,' but to me it's more of a moderate GOP district. Baird was preceded and succeeded by Republicans. He served 6 terms, and then decided not to run for re-election in 2010.

He was often considered moderate-left, but I always thought he was more left than me. I too would consider myself as moderate-left. He did win the 3rd CD by healthy margins. He won by 64% in his last race in 2008. He faced a string of weak opponents.

He recently wrote an op-ed for the Seattle Times:
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If Democrats want to reelect President Donald Trump and lose the House and Senate in the process, they should nominate a candidate for president who insists on abolishing private health insurance, supports open borders and promises to give away all sorts of “free” things costing trillions of dollars.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Yawn..

"Socialism is a scareword they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

HARRY S TRUMAN, speech, Oct. 10, 1952
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Today's Democrat Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Representative Baird. Either they've switched parties to the GOP or remain in the Democrat Party tilting at windmills for rationality in the (D) party that will never happen.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Today's Democrat Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Representative Baird. Either they've switched parties to the GOP or remain in the Democrat Party tilting at windmills for rationality in the (D) party that will never happen.
Today's Republic Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Mitt Romney. Either they've switched parties to the Democrats or remain in the Republic party tilting at windmills for irrationality in the (R) party that will never happen.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Yawn..

"Socialism is a scareword they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

HARRY S TRUMAN, speech, Oct. 10, 1952
Sure, but Truman last ran in 1948, 71 years ago. Things have changed, including political parlance. Socialism is now proven as a failure wherever it has been tried. USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela come to mind. In 1948 that was not yet the case. Socialism is probably still a deal breaker for many US voters.

Baird does not even bring up the 's-word' except as an aside..
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In the worst possible outcome for the Democrats (and the nation), imagine Trump also wins and they lose the Congress, sustained in large part through attacks on the “socialist” Democratic nominee.
But that is hardly his main point. His main point is that running on abolishment of private health care, decriminalization of border crossings, free medical for Illegals, calling police murderers, etc. have gone too far left.

Elizabeth Warren has said repeatedly that she's not a 'socialist.' But that matters little; what matters is that her policies are too far left.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:01 PM
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Today's Republic Party has NO ROOM for sane people like Mitt Romney. Either they've switched parties to the Democrats or remain in the Republic party tilting at windmills for irrationality in the (R) party that will never happen.
So you got nothing
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Sure, but Truman last ran in 1948, 71 years ago. Things have changed, including political parlance. Socialism is now proven as a failure wherever it has been tried. USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela come to mind. In 1948 that was not yet the case. Socialism is probably still a deal breaker for many US voters.

Baird does not even bring up the 's-word' except as an aside..


But that is hardly his main point. His main point is that running on abolishment of private health care, decriminalization of border crossings, free medical for Illegals, calling police murderers, etc. have gone too far left.

Elizabeth Warren has said repeatedly that she's not a 'socialist.' But that matters little; what matters is that her policies are too far left.
No, I'm sorry, I don't think you understood the Truman quote. His point was that democrats have been accused of going too far left no matter what they've done (for, like, the past 90 years, or thereabouts), but in reality those have been nothing that didn't help people and proved to be popular. The accusations of people like yourself are no different than the accusations Harry Truman put up with that he was too liberal.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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No, I'm sorry, I don't think you understood the Truman quote. His point was that democrats have been accused of going too far left no matter what they've done (for, like, the past 90 years, or thereabouts), but in reality those have been nothing that didn't help people and proved to be popular. The accusations of people like yourself are no different than the accusations Harry Truman put up with that he was too liberal.
Just go back and read the quote you posted. Nowhere does Truman say anything about 'going too far left.'

I can only guess that you felt your usual urge to denigrate another poster's intelligence ("No, I'm sorry, I don't think you understood the Truman quote.") Fail. Again, that was 70 years ago. And again, it's largely incidental to Baird's op-ed.

BTW, can you cite where Truman was ever accused of being 'too liberal?' I don't think the term was in common use in US political discourse until around 1960.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:15 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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No, I'm sorry, I don't think you understood the Truman quote. His point was that democrats have been accused of going too far left no matter what they've done (for, like, the past 90 years, or thereabouts), but in reality those have been nothing that didn't help people and proved to be popular. The accusations of people like yourself are no different than the accusations Harry Truman put up with that he was too liberal.
All anyone has to do to understand how insanely left the Democrats have gone is to compare the party platforms from 2000 to now.

There is no question the Democrats have moved far, far, far to the left. If you say otherwise, you are lying.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Just go back and read the quote you posted. Nowhere does Truman say anything about 'going too far left.'

I can only guess that you felt your usual urge to denigrate another poster's intelligence ("No, I'm sorry, I don't think you understood the Truman quote.") Fail. Again, that was 70 years ago. And again, it's largely incidental to Baird's op-ed.

BTW, can you cite where Truman was ever accused of being 'too liberal?' I don't think the term was in common use in US political discourse until around 1960.
Truman would not have said that if he himself was not accused of being a socialist or at least promoting socialist policies. Read the quote again:

"Socialism is a scareword they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people."

Truman was a proponent of everything on that list. Since he said socialism was being used as a scareword for each of the items on that list, thus, he was a proponent of policies that were accused of being "socialist."
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