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Old 05-27-2019, 09:36 AM
 
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If they agreed to pay for their own abortions, would you try to stop them?
My boyfriend at the time & I paid for my abortion, no one else did, no matter how often & loud cons try to bleat that they're paying for it.
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They can sew it shut. Cheaper than an abortion.
How about we cut off all men's penises?
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Old 05-27-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Imagination is idealistic not pragmatic !!! Its the art of BS, dwelling in the house of deception.

Eventually they will want the tax payer on the hook for it. Just as they do with abortions !!!
No doubt but unlikely to be legislated any time soon.
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Old 05-27-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Just checked out condom price at Walmart; three for a buck eighty eight
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Old 05-27-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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It’s liberals who typically argue bc is not 100% effective and there will always be people who think pregnancy won’t happen to them and pass on bc regardless of the cost.
BC isn't 100% effective for preventing pregnancy. That's why these more recent restrictions are so crazy. But I think we can all agree that using BC is more effective than not using BC. And making it free would encourage more people to use it, especially teenagers, and also make it much easier to use multiple methods at the same time. If the goal is to prevent abortions, this is low-hanging fruit.

To make myself crystal clear, though, there will always be a need for legal abortion, even if BC ever becomes 100% effective. Rapists don't care about BC, and neither do conditions like eclampsia and anencephaly.


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I’m not sure lawmen in Mississippi or Alabama would be as tolerant as Chicago lawmen were in the Jane Collective era.
You're probably right about that. But that didn't stop the Underground Railroad during slave times, and it won't stop Janes.
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Old 05-27-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Yep, Clarallel, no matter what the procedure, condoms, birth control pills, diaphrams, are always cheaper than a surgery. Pharmacies should be distributing these things as easy to get as M&Ms in a convenience store or CVS. THAT will bring down the abortion rate PDQ.
While I agree that we should be promoting effective birth control well ahead of abortion as an option, I don't know that there's a significant (10%+) portion of women who say "I got pregnant because I couldn't afford birth control and couldn't find it free anywhere."

Of course - Planned Parenthood and County Health Services generally distribute birth control. And the idea that we're just going to be OK with the thought process that says "I had enough money to have sex and have a child, but not enough to buy birth control" is pretty whack, isn't it?
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Old 05-27-2019, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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BC isn't 100% effective for preventing pregnancy. That's why these more recent restrictions are so crazy. But I think we can all agree that using BC is more effective than not using BC. And making it free would encourage more people to use it, especially teenagers, and also make it much easier to use multiple methods at the same time. If the goal is to prevent abortions, this is low-hanging fruit.

To make myself crystal clear, though, there will always be a need for legal abortion, even if BC ever becomes 100% effective. Rapists don't care about BC, and neither do conditions like eclampsia and anencephaly.
and this, for 90+% of folks, is a perfectly reasonable response as well. Why we're politically unable to agree on what 90% of folks agree on, and then compromise as best we can on the other 10% is a shame.
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Ain’t that the most pragmatic way to protect a woman’s right to choose?
This irresponsible method of red states was already attempted when red states dumped their mentally ill to other states.

Nevada buses hundreds of mentally ill patients to cities around country
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Houston
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This irresponsible method of red states was already attempted when red states dumped their mentally ill to other states.

Nevada buses hundreds of mentally ill patients to cities around country
The red states won’t be doing the busing. It will be groups supporting abortion rights.
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The red states won’t be doing the busing. It will be groups supporting abortion rights.
How would this be considered a solution for "pro-life?"
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:51 PM
 
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Who can sew what up? Are you suggesting women should sew their vaginal openings shut as a means of preventing pregnancy?
If they are stupid enough to have sex and can’t pay for the end result, then yes. Sew it up.
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