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Old 07-21-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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Acosta had nothing to do with this part of it. This is the local authorities.

I would suspect at the time Acosta would have thought it a big win. He got a real heavy convicted of a felony and required to register as a sex offender. Given the wealth and the Epstein legal team he was seriously concerned with losing if he drove for a heavy conviction.

We now find Acosta wanting but the views in DofJ at the time were likely quite different.
Uh....ok, so you say Acosta had nothing to do with it then mention that DOJ was different because they.....didn't have enough courage to deal with it!

Surely you have seen the emails between DOJ and Epsteins attorneys?

"quoted emails exchanged during the tense negotiations between federal prosecutors and Epstein’s legal team, which included Roy Black, Jack Goldberger, Alan Dershowitz, Jay Lefkowitz and former Whitewater and Clinton prosecutor Kenneth Starr.

Those emails suggested ways in which both parties tried to keep Epstein’s victims in the dark, he said.

“The CVRA [Crime Victims’ Rights Act] was designed to protect victims’ rights and ensure their involvement in the criminal justice process...’’ Marra wrote.

“...Under the facts of this case, once the Government failed to advise the victims about its intention to enter into the [non-prosecution agreement], a violation of the CVRA occurred.’’
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Repeat after me....
1. Acosta WAS a local authority - a local brand of the DOJ
2. Acosta had something to do with ALL of this, as he has admitted himself and the records show.

Now, you can make up a new definition of "something to do with it", but we are better off looking at the circumstances in total.

Most of us were not aware that the world was so different in 2007. I was there - I don't remember much difference. Lots of people born since, lots died. The internet had already been around for 12 years commercially....

My Subaru was made then.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
Acosta had nothing to do with this part of it. This is the local authorities.

I would suspect at the time Acosta would have thought it a big win. He got a real heavy convicted of a felony and required to register as a sex offender. Given the wealth and the Epstein legal team he was seriously concerned with losing if he drove for a heavy conviction.

We now find Acosta wanting but the views in DofJ at the time were likely quite different.
While I don't disagree with this post, and do understand that Acosta's team was definitely outgunned, I believe that there was something sinister at work here.

Why did the prosecutors attempt to dissuade the victims from testifying? Why did Acosta lie about the meeting at the Marriott? Why were the victims not notified of the plea agreement? Why were the co-conspirators not charged?

The FBI had interviewed victims who had been transported across state lines for the purpose of prostitution, and had compiled a 53-page indictment, yet if Acosta thought he got "a big win" by getting a conviction on two state charges, I'm not buying what he's selling.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Uh....ok, so you say Acosta had nothing to do with it then mention that DOJ was different because they.....didn't have enough courage to deal with it!

Surely you have seen the emails between DOJ and Epsteins attorneys?

"quoted emails exchanged during the tense negotiations between federal prosecutors and Epstein’s legal team, which included Roy Black, Jack Goldberger, Alan Dershowitz, Jay Lefkowitz and former Whitewater and Clinton prosecutor Kenneth Starr.

Those emails suggested ways in which both parties tried to keep Epstein’s victims in the dark, he said.

“The CVRA [Crime Victims’ Rights Act] was designed to protect victims’ rights and ensure their involvement in the criminal justice process...’’ Marra wrote.

“...Under the facts of this case, once the Government failed to advise the victims about its intention to enter into the [non-prosecution agreement], a violation of the CVRA occurred.’’
----------------------------------------------------------

Repeat after me....
1. Acosta WAS a local authority - a local brand of the DOJ
2. Acosta had something to do with ALL of this, as he has admitted himself and the records show.

Now, you can make up a new definition of "something to do with it", but we are better off looking at the circumstances in total.

Most of us were not aware that the world was so different in 2007. I was there - I don't remember much difference. Lots of people born since, lots died. The internet had already been around for 12 years commercially....

My Subaru was made then.
Also, Acosta was meeting with Epstein's team by himself.

He was up to his neck in this.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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Also, Acosta was meeting with Epstein's team by himself.

He was up to his neck in this.
Acosta used private email to contact the defense team, but preferred to communicate by phone or in person, as there would not be a paper trail. Hmmmm.
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Old 07-21-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Originally Posted by craigiri View Post
Uh....ok, so you say Acosta had nothing to do with it then mention that DOJ was different because they.....didn't have enough courage to deal with it!

Surely you have seen the emails between DOJ and Epsteins attorneys?

"quoted emails exchanged during the tense negotiations between federal prosecutors and Epstein’s legal team, which included Roy Black, Jack Goldberger, Alan Dershowitz, Jay Lefkowitz and former Whitewater and Clinton prosecutor Kenneth Starr.

Those emails suggested ways in which both parties tried to keep Epstein’s victims in the dark, he said.

“The CVRA [Crime Victims’ Rights Act] was designed to protect victims’ rights and ensure their involvement in the criminal justice process...’’ Marra wrote.

“...Under the facts of this case, once the Government failed to advise the victims about its intention to enter into the [non-prosecution agreement], a violation of the CVRA occurred.’’
----------------------------------------------------------

Repeat after me....
1. Acosta WAS a local authority - a local brand of the DOJ
2. Acosta had something to do with ALL of this, as he has admitted himself and the records show.

Now, you can make up a new definition of "something to do with it", but we are better off looking at the circumstances in total.

Most of us were not aware that the world was so different in 2007. I was there - I don't remember much difference. Lots of people born since, lots died. The internet had already been around for 12 years commercially....

My Subaru was made then.
Sorry but you are simply wrong. The present discussion is of the conditions of Epstein's imprisonment not the deal with DofJ. And the conditions were a local law enforcement call not Acosta or Dofj.
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Old 07-21-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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Palm Beach County seems to be a hotbed of shenanigans.

Read about John Mark Dougan, a disgruntled ex-cop who fled to Russia, where Vladimir’s Putin’s government granted him asylum status.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fugiti...is-latest-hoax

Any wonder it is known as "Corruption county?"
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Old 07-21-2019, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Default Could Epstein be in even more trouble...

Vanity Fair claims he was running around with young gals in recent years based on input from the Airport on St. Thomas.

This would of course take care of the double jeopardy problem if true.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...private-island
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Old 07-21-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Then there is the matter of a court ordering the release of sealed records involving one of Jeffery Epstein's recruiters. The alleged victim wants it released, the recruiter (madam) claims there is too much press (aka public) interest in its contents.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffre...leged-sex-ring

Last edited by Nell Plotts; 07-21-2019 at 04:16 PM..
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Old 07-21-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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Looks like trafficking isn't high up on the list of things the Trump admin thinks are of import.

"Federal prosecutions of sex trafficking under the same law that is currently being used to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein have decreased each year under the Trump administration, according to a new analysis from Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) system.

If the current pace of sex trafficking prosecutions remains, the number of these cases the Justice Department decides to prosecute will have fallen nearly 27 percent year over year by the end of September. This represents a steep reversal of Obama-era trends that saw sex trafficking prosecutions rise nearly every year and more than double over the eight-year period from 2009 through 2016."

Like everything else, this must be coincidental. Trump is so busy destroying NK nuke facilities and fixing health care that he might have overlooked human trafficking.
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I still can't get over that Acosta could arrange such a sweet deal and end up as Secretary of Labor.
I can. It was part of the good ole boy club of which trump belongs to.
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