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Old 11-17-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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I'm talking about self-made people who might not have prestigious jobs but work hard and live below their means, people who listen to Dave Ramsey. I know a lot of people like this. They live in average houses and drive 12-year-old Toyota Carollas and are worth $2-$3 million none of which they inherited. They nearly all vote Republican.

It makes sense ... Who would want to live in a society where someone who lives below their means has to be forced to give their money to a welfare bum who finances a BMW X3 with their welfare checks?
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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I'm talking about self-made people who might not have prestigious jobs but work hard and live below their means, people who listen to Dave Ramsey. I know a lot of people like this. They live in average houses and drive 12-year-old Toyota Carollas and are worth $2-$3 million none of which they inherited. They nearly all vote Republican.

It makes sense ... Who would want to live in a society where someone who lives below their means has to be forced to give their money to a welfare bum who finances a BMW X3 with their welfare checks?
Who are these people that use welfare to finance BMW X3's?

You may be correct in who is voting Republican - but these sure are terrible/baseless assumptions.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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I'm talking about self-made people who might not have prestigious jobs but work hard and live below their means, people who listen to Dave Ramsey. I know a lot of people like this. They live in average houses and drive 12-year-old Toyota Carollas and are worth $2-$3 million none of which they inherited. They nearly all vote Republican.

It makes sense ... Who would want to live in a society where someone who lives below their means has to be forced to give their money to a welfare bum who finances a BMW X3 with their welfare checks?
I don't see a problem with this.

Likewise, most people who vote democrat are either the underclass who is dependent on government handouts or those who wish to exercise authoritarian control over others. It's a good way to distinguish the two groups: individualist as opposed to tyrannists.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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I don't know. Many of my friends live below their means, as do I, and we vote democrat. I also listen to Dave Ramsey. And I even know the facts about welfare, which includes, "nobody finances a BMW X3 with their welfare check."

But people can vote however they'd like. They can vote to spend more of their money on social programs or more of their money on sending troops to do the jobs of border patrol agents or more of their money to fund golf trips every weekend for a (supposed) billionaire. Either way, they're not keeping their money. Vote to have it spent where you want.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:47 AM
 
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I'm talking about self-made people who might not have prestigious jobs but work hard and live below their means, people who listen to Dave Ramsey. I know a lot of people like this. They live in average houses and drive 12-year-old Toyota Carollas and are worth $2-$3 million none of which they inherited. They nearly all vote Republican.

It makes sense ... Who would want to live in a society where someone who lives below their means has to be forced to give their money to a welfare bum who finances a BMW X3 with their welfare checks?
Again
Your prejudices drive your opinions
What FACTS back up your statement?
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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We understand that individual initiative, hard work among other things = achievement and lifetime economic security. Something a government or its “programs” can never, ever provide.
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:09 PM
 
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Hmmmm.......more projection. If we are going to talk "in general", there are vastly more newly minted millionaires in the successful (mostly liberal) states, and therefore in the aggregate they vote liberal.

Are there many cantankerous businessmen who don't want to pay the true cost of a modern society? Sure. I don't know why that would be something to brag about though. Kids like big ice cream cones too (in other news).
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:11 PM
 
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Well that is a nice OP of anecdata, but it's just that....anecdotes. You would need to show some actual numbers, surveys, etc. to see if your premise is true.

Like this is for millionaires in general, but Business Insider said "More rich Americans identify as Democrat (58%) than Republican (38%)."
https://www.businessinsider.com/fasc...naires-2017-11

I need to keep hunting down stats. I have read the book, so I am curious.
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:42 PM
 
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... and we vote democrat. I also listen to Dave Ramsey. ...
Well, I don't know whether to congratulate you for having a split personality or disbelieve you.

The values and philosophy of the democrats and those of Dave Ramsey couldn't be farther on opposite ends of the spectrum. Haven't you ever actually listened to Ramsey's actual words on his radio shows? It's obvious which end of the political spectrum he is on. It's impossible to follow his advice in its entirety and be a democrat at the same time, AND be truly dedicated to both philosophies... because, like I said, they are polar opposites.
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