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Old 11-12-2018, 10:25 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Liberty: Choice.
They take money from you before you ever see it, or others that by a certain day, you better be paid up, or face a gun pointed at you.


What if everyone had a choice just how much money they thought government needed from them, to keep them in control of us, or just to fix infrastructure only.


What would you be willing to pay monthly or yearly to the government, if it was your choice? Instead of having to be robbed, or intimidated with violence.
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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most people would pay nothing or as little as possible.
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Old 11-12-2018, 02:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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most people would pay nothing or as little as possible.
So, "it is your duty" is a lie?


Seems those saying that would be dumping into the treasury.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I'd rather pay competing organizations than the state, unless the state could prove that it was providing the best service for the lowest price...which I doubt for some reason...
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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Liberty: Choice.
They take money from you before you ever see it, or others that by a certain day, you better be paid up, or face a gun pointed at you.


What if everyone had a choice just how much money they thought government needed from them, to keep them in control of us, or just to fix infrastructure only.


What would you be willing to pay monthly or yearly to the government, if it was your choice? Instead of having to be robbed, or intimidated with violence.
You live in a low wage state, maybe that's why you feel like you never make enough money.

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Old 11-12-2018, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I'd rather pay competing organizations than the state, unless the state could prove that it was providing the best service for the lowest price...which I doubt for some reason...
I think this strategy would result in you finding yourself at the bottom of Lake Mendota.

Just a hunch.

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Old 11-12-2018, 08:22 PM
 
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Lets do it.
Also, it would be illegal for companies to pass taxes onto consumers as well.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Liberty: Choice.
They take money from you before you ever see it, or others that by a certain day, you better be paid up, or face a gun pointed at you.


What if everyone had a choice just how much money they thought government needed from them, to keep them in control of us, or just to fix infrastructure only.


What would you be willing to pay monthly or yearly to the government, if it was your choice? Instead of having to be robbed, or intimidated with violence.
BentBow, it seems you're running out of ideas for thread starters. Take a break over the holidays and when the Dems step into their new house positions, you'll have so many angles to troll you'll never have time to change your socks again.
Just a suggestion.
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Old 11-12-2018, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Unfortunately, when you’re in the top five percent, that is the sweet spot and the government comes after your income with a vengeance. I’d love to pay much less, what’s wrong with keeping more of what you earn?
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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most people would pay nothing or as little as possible.
Indeed.

And this is why socialism always fails in the long run. When people discover that doing nothing is as profitable as doing something, they begin moving towards the do nothing camp, unless force is exerted against them, typically in the form of actual or threatened violence, to make them stay in the do something camp. As more people attempt nothing, more force is needed to "get them right" and producing. It eventually collapses under its own weight, and a reset is hit back to a known working point, to begin the slide towards socialism again.

This is why taxes are taken by force, not via choice. If people could choose, even assuming they wanted all of the gazillion or so "services" they think they need from government, they'd do as T0103E suggests and seek a cheaper, better alternative to pay for those things. Only via violence can something as both costly and inefficient as government survive.

Left to their own devices, most people will attempt to take care of themselves, but will rarely be found running about trying to pay for everyone else's stuff. No, to get that kind of "charitable" thinking, you need to put a gun in their face and make them an offer they can't refuse.
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