News, President Bush: Iraq war was a success and will end in victory. (deaths, Clinton)
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Given that the perps were based in Afghanistan, what does that have to do with our potentially $3 trillion war in Iraq?
Just out of curiosity, how do you think America should finance that massive and ongoing cost at a time when the economy is flagging, and programs like Medicare and Social Security are about to balloon in cost?
One can read the bipartisan authorization for a reminder as to the myriad of reasons we went into Iraq. It is amusing to see all those screaming to go in suddenly beat their chests about how; 1. they always thought it was wrong, 2. they were tricked, 3. they just voted without reading . . . .
Why we shouldn't surrender is because the enemy al-Qaeda is in Iraq. . . . although not as strongly as a year ago! We'd just be back again after they regroup.
Don't work for the federal reserve but I'd submit letting the enemy regroup and flatten your cities may further slow the economy. Regardless, you don't surrender because your home isn't appreciating at the clip it was before Pelosi and the dems regained control of Congress.
. . . . Long term consqeuences I'm seeing is Middle Easteners who might not have cared about America enough to fight are now rallied to fight us because of Iraq while before it was a select few Al-Qaeda members.
In Iran there are many people who have no hate for America while their leader may be hostile.They may not support Iranian leaders yet if we occupied Iran many would turn their anger toward us just because we are invaders,which otherwise they may have brought social change internally without us attacking.
This is the American loving Middle Easterners who blew up a US Marine barracks keeping peace in Lebanon? The same American loving Iranians who stormed the US embassy and took control and hostages during Jimmy's presidency? And you want us to believe that this dislike just flicked on since Bush came to office????
Make a note that they all will never love us. It doesn't really matter. Peace through strength is the only peace that'll ever exist.
Not one attack in 7 years on American soil and we have some of the easiest borders to cross in the world. Iran disabled their pursuit of uranium. Saddam (almost as bad as Hitler) is dead. People in Iraq voted for leadership. Oil is secure so the biggest economy on this planet can run smoothly (the USA). Yeah, things aren't that bad. They could be much worse. Hard decisions were made but the right ones were made. Thank god the cowardly democrats weren't in office or things would be much much worse.
One can read the bipartisan authorization for a reminder as to the myriad of reasons we went into Iraq. It is amusing to see all those screaming to go in suddenly beat their chests about how; 1. they always thought it was wrong, 2. they were tricked, 3. they just voted without reading . . . .
Why we shouldn't surrender is because the enemy al-Qaeda is in Iraq. . . . although not as strongly as a year ago! We'd just be back again after they regroup.
Don't work for the federal reserve but I'd submit letting the enemy regroup and flatten your cities may further slow the economy. Regardless, you don't surrender because your home isn't appreciating at the clip it was before Pelosi and the dems regained control of Congress.
I can't help but think of General Douglas MacArthur thoughts.
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Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it.
or as cynicism set in
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It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear.
Of course Tacitus already surmised long before that "Fear is not in the habit of speaking truth; when perfect sincerity is expected, perfect freedom must be allowed; nor has anyone who is apt to be angry when he hears the truth any cause to wonder that he does not hear it."
I would feel pity for those so wrought with fear if it weren't for the fact that they would sacrifice the whole of the nation for one good nights sleep.
This is the American loving Middle Easterners who blew up a US Marine barracks keeping peace in Lebanon? The same American loving Iranians who stormed the US embassy and took control and hostages during Jimmy's presidency? And you want us to believe that this dislike just flicked on since Bush came to office????
Make a note that they all will never love us. It doesn't really matter. Peace through strength is the only peace that'll ever exist.
There are many everyday Iranians who have no hostile intent toward the USA and actually admire certain parts of our culture.Many younger Iranians want to become a more open society and more western.I said many,not all because yes there are some who are hostile,and it should be considered real hard how we handle them because invasion could or would unite many who never had a problem with us before and never supported extemists before.
Why were we in Lebanon to begin with?If we were more likely to trade with people or at least us covert ops to undermine hostile governments instead of involving ouselves with them by being there,we might not have as much problem with them now.
Why we shouldn't surrender is because the enemy al-Qaeda is in Iraq
All of 'em? Forever? Well then, that makes everything nice and tidy for us.
As for Lebanon, you may have missed the lesson there that President Reagan did not. Lebanon was a tarbaby. EVERYONE who put forces in there had their forces blown up. The Americans, the French, the Israelis, the Syrians.
The lesson was, when you take sides in a nasty, complicated factional civil war, people will attack you. Reagan cut his losses after coming to understand how much of a mess the war actually was.
Not one attack in 7 years on American soil and we have some of the easiest borders to cross in the world. Iran disabled their pursuit of uranium. Saddam (almost as bad as Hitler) is dead. People in Iraq voted for leadership. Oil is secure so the biggest economy on this planet can run smoothly (the USA). Yeah, things aren't that bad. They could be much worse. Hard decisions were made but the right ones were made. Thank god the cowardly democrats weren't in office or things would be much much worse.
Why were we attacked in the first place?Almost as bad as Hitler,I don't think so.Iraqi people voted true,lets see what kind of government exists after we leave,be it tommorrow or 20 years from now.Oil?,I think we would trade for oil no matter who is in power and most of our oil doesn't come from the middle east anyway.Besides,prices and our economy isn't exactly great these days anyway.
The slaughtering that happened in former Yugoslavia was on a level of evilness of Hitler,do you support Clinton for ending this evilness?The point is not to single out a Democrat or Rrepublican because the fact is bad foriegn policy of intervention in matters has been done by both camps for years,we pick a side and **** off the others then wonder why they have the nerve to hate us.
We as a nation need to start thinking harder about how we interact with other nations.
Make a note that they all will never love us. It doesn't really matter. Peace through strength is the only peace that'll ever exist.
I do agree with this,but their is a difference of maintaining strength and how you use it.They even if that meant all,don't have to love us,my case is we are less likely to achieve a level of hatred toward us to the point they comer here to attack if we don't manipulate their internal affairs and instead trade.
There is only one thing we actually need from the middle east....oil,human rights,womens rights ,Democracy and whatever while are noble things to pursuade,forcing it will create a backlash that we are seeing.
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Spin it whatever way you wish but the undeniable fact is that the attacks on US embassies, ships and bombing of buildings has decreased drastically since Bush came to office and went after the perps.
Speaking of spin you're the one who chose to bring "airplane missiles" into a discussion about the Iraq war yet have made no connection between the two.
And if you insist on keeping score with casualties during time in office 9/11, Madrid, and London are on Bush's watch. Or does that not suit your spin?
. . . .And if you insist on keeping score with casualties during time in office 9/11, Madrid, and London are on Bush's watch. Or does that not suit your spin?
If we can throw in the genocide deaths in Africa during Clinton's watch you're on! More likely died on his watch than in all admins since WWII (although Cambodia may come close.)
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