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Old 11-30-2017, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Liberals will never let that happen. liberals want to centralize everything and have the government control it.

once you control peoples health care at the government level, you control their lives.





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Obvious answer:free market, no state involvement
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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and why are healthcare costs rising in this country?
why hasn't any liberal politician done work to find that out?





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The countries that are using socialism pay a lot less per capita than our corporate system. That's all I need to know.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Please explain to me how health care is a right in this country and where in our government documents it says so. And also how the government is obligated to pay for free healthcare for all?
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:33 AM
 
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and why are healthcare costs rising in this country?
why hasn't any liberal politician done work to find that out?
Wake up. We pay $10 000 a year in health care per person on average in America. In the rest of the developed world its more like $4-5000 per year. We have a system that is geared to rip off the "consumers" of health care, by design.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Please explain to me how health care is a right in this country and where in our government documents it says so. And also how the government is obligated to pay for free healthcare for all?
Because healthcare for profit is expensive, and we don't want people dropping like flies around us
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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Obvious answer:free market, no state involvement
Oversimplified answer: free market, no state involvement

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Look, we can argue about how to pay for healthcare for the next 20+ pages and get nowhere near the true problem in our healthcare system. Stuff is just too expensive. Why? Because we don't have a true free market in healthcare and we CANNOT.

The barrier to entry is just too high. It takes years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a Dr. The number of medical schools is strikingly low in this country, and those who do go through all of the hoops to get their MD, end up chasing dollars (understandably) by going into specialties like orthopedics that pay 2-3x what a general practitioner makes. That's just the doctors!!

On the pharmaceutical side, the drug companies don't have to negotiate pricing for the most part, much of the initial research for the drugs (also the riskiest) is borne by the taxpayers. Drug companies pick up the best results from that research and get products to market. An argument could be made that this results in skewing our quality of healthcare as well since why would a company spend billions developing a one time cure when they could develop a treatment plan?

On the insurance side, hell it's easy enough to see the stupidity of wanting to throw money away on an unnecessary middle man, who then has the rights to ration your healthcare by choosing what to cover and what not to. Even if we got a competitive market for insurance across state lines in this country, you don't think there'd be some collusion, or crazy lobbying efforts to rig the game in their favor?

We suck at capitalism. Plain and simple
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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BS!! its because we already have TO MUCH GOVERNMENT CONTROL in it already!!!







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Wake up. We pay $10 000 a year in health care per person on average in America. In the rest of the developed world its more like $4-5000 per year. We have a system that is geared to rip off the "consumers" of health care, by design.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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and why are healthcare costs rising in this country?
why hasn't any liberal politician done work to find that out?
Shut the heck up with this "liberal" this and "liberal" that. We are all getting ripped off and you want to blame the other victims instead of looking at the people robbing us blind? Jeez... we have the system we deserve because of stupidity like this...
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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and you think federal govt control is going to curtail that???

does the VA or Medicare come to mind?



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Because healthcare for profit is expensive, and we don't want people dropping like flies around us
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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and why are healthcare costs rising in this country?
why hasn't any liberal politician done work to find that out?
Its kinda obvious why the ACA isnt working and why costs are rising ..=
https://www.google.ca/search?source=....0.V40J9x33Neo
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