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Old 01-17-2017, 01:01 PM
 
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Trump is absolutely correct its time that NATO pay for its own defense. America can no longer afford in treasure and more importantly blood to be the world's policeman!!!


Trump: NATO Is 'Obsolete'
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:04 PM
 
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He's right.

Why should the US Taxpayer continue to defend Europe?
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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We are protecting both our strategic and trade interests in many cases.


1. Europe... largest trading partner
2. Middle East.... obvious reason oil.
3. Japan ...... Major trading partner and strategic location for bases. Koreas and China
4. Australia..... South China Sea and trade


All of these pay a percentage of basing cost, anywhere from 30 to 70%. Japan is around 70% if I remember correctly.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why should the US Taxpayer continue to defend Europe?
The rise of Zombie Hitlers?
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:40 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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NATO doesn't fight terrorism and Europeans are freeloaders, it seems Trump and the US have short memories.

Afghanistan was a NATO mission as part of the War on Terror and many European countries contributed, indeed if you use the methodology of a 2010 analysis that looked at fatalities-per-population and apply it again today, we can see the tiny country of Denmark ranks higher than the United States in terms of fataliaties. Whilst European nations also contributed a great deal financially to the the campaign and war on terror following 9/11.

Britain alone spent £37 Billion on the Afghanistan Campaign which equates to £2,000 per British household, and Britain also suffered high fatality rates (456 deaths in Afghanistan alone), so to suggest that Europeans are somehow not pulling their weight or not contributing is at best an insult to all those Europeans who died in a campaign which was dubbed a 'War on Terror' and which was a NATO led operation.

Afghanistan war has cost Britain more than £37bn, new book claims - The Guardian

If anything it shows that in a world where the US has few real friends and plenty of enemies, the Europeans have if anything been good allies and have supported the US both in terms of fighting terrorism on the ground and in terms of the ultimate sacrifice in blood, and all this recent Anti-NATO rhetoric seems to conveniently forget this fact.

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When I arrived in Afghanistan in 2011 for the first time, I proudly displayed several patches on my shoulders. One was the flag of the United States, the country I love so much. Another was the 10th Mountain Division insignia, representing the unit with which I had been deployed. But there was also one more: the Isaf patch, signifying participation in Nato’s International Security Assistance Force.

On Nato, Donald Trump needs a history lesson - Guardian
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump is absolutely correct its time that NATO pay for its own defense. America can no longer afford in treasure and more importantly blood to be the world's policeman!!!
Thanks for sharing Vladimir.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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NATO doesn't fight terrorism and Europeans are freeloaders, it seems Trump and the US have short memories.

Afghanistan was a NATO mission as part of the War on Terror and many European countries contributed, indeed if you use the methodology of a 2010 analysis that looked at fatalities-per-population and apply it again today, we can see the tiny country of Denmark ranks higher than the United States in terms of fataliaties. Whilst European nations also contributed a great deal financially to the the campaign and war on terror following 9/11.

Britain alone spent £37 Billion on the Afghanistan Campaign which equates to £2,000 per British household, and Britain also suffered high fatality rates (456 deaths in Afghanistan alone), so to suggest that Europeans are somehoew not pulling their weight or not contributing is at best an insult to all those Europeans who died in a campaign which was dubbed a 'War on Terror' and which was a NATO led operation.

Afghanistan war has cost Britain more than £37bn, new book claims - The Guardian

If anything it shows that in the world where the US has few real friends and plenty of enemies, the Europeans have if anything been good allies and have supported the US both in terms of fighting terrorism on the ground and in terms of the ultimate sacrifice in blood, and all this recent Anti-NATO rhetoric seems to conveniently forget this fact.
NATO was formed as a buffer against the Soviet Union. It is now obsolete just like the League of Nations.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:45 AM
 
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He's right.

Why should the US Taxpayer continue to defend Europe?

To protect American interest's in Europe.Comrade.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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NATO doesn't fight terrorism and Europeans are freeloaders, it seems Trump and the US have short memories.
It's Moscow propaganda. Trump is priceless for Russia, because he will push their agenda in US.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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NATO was formed as a buffer against the Soviet Union.

...........and a perfect reason to stay with it.
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