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Old 12-12-2016, 09:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
We have a trade imbalance of about $30 billion a MONTH with China.

You must really hate the American workers if you enjoy the fact that America is flooded with products made in China.
When I think of people who voluntarily purchase locally-sourced goods, the first thing that comes to mind are middle class Americans from the rust belt who voted Trump into office.

No, wait I got that wrong. That reminds me more of myself, and other high-falutin liberal yuppies.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The Chinese are smart as hell and dumb enough to let everyone know it. If the US and China start a trade war the biggest losers will be everybody as the investment markets burst their bubble and Wall Street becomes buried in Red ink.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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When China is saying what Millions of American's said all during the campaigning process. It's not likely that many Americans are so wrong, therefore, its likely that China is not as wrong either.
It's certainly now a one sided word war, of which Trump started.

We can't even dress ourselves without China, and even if America did create clothing industry here, these greedy, dominantly "white controlled wealth holders", would not pay a living wage where people could afford to buy the products. Not because we can't have good wages to promote the image of this nation's pretense of standard; but more so because we have "greed trained people, whom our university is churning out more of them everyday". One thing about China, they will take out a Corporate Executive as quick as they will anyone else, because China is smart enough to know, its the People who Really Matter, and without the People, everything else fails.

American greed training does not understand that concept. China has thousands of years of History to call upon, all we have a system rooted and groomed in a history of slavery, segregation, racism, greed and the avarice minded wealthy trying to create a faux monarchy and proclaim themselves as if to be some royalty. Trump played the people the same as he did New York and New Jersey, with his extortion of tax credits and then followed it up with shafting the IRS by abusing the tax code for developers.
He knew the people were ripe to be played as s---ers, because he watched them salivate behind the belligerence of his TV show. He watched them stream desperately into his Casino's dumping their rent money and money for anything else, but above all, he watched them and their racist fight against the image of a black man as President. He participated to enrage them with his Birther crap, and his continual critique of everything President Obama did. Because he could not digest a black man could have a position he did not have. Only when he got the position, did he learn to face up and respect President Obama.

No one is unaware that much of America voted for Trump because they could not stand the idea of a black man as president and they did not like that he did not promote some "white first entitlement" agenda, and when it came to equality, they cried they were over-looked, because they no longer had the "white skin first option on everything".
so they salivate at the mere mention of Trump, because it feeds that delusion that being white is going to give them an upper hand, and they won't have to get in the "equality" line with everyone else.
These are the very same white people, who have for 40 yrs been promoting white male greed in the executive suites, these are the same people who pushed out unions, so they could worship white male executives, and in the process, these are the very same people who promoted Outsourcing, as their claim to ensure that minorities and women would not rise up economically. And it all spun around and bit them all in the butt. Now, they think Trump will give them a 1940's and 1950's revival of the white dominance they seek.

Trump has surrounded himself with right wing fringe promoters and billionaires, because these groups know the poor whites and working poor whites will fall in line just like they did during the Confederacy, to promote and protect the wealthy at any cost and any expense and suffer any hardships to do so. Yep, history has a way of repeating the folly of man.

China, has more than 300 million people who are good earners, and another 200 million who earn and are stable, as well as they have a network of export distribution that spans the globe. They have control over their land and their people and they have a "mad dog" neighbor they can use as a provocateur any time they want to use him. China is sitting on more than Two Trillion in Hard Currency, if their GDP drops to 6, they will go into panic mode and do what they can to stop the devastation's. They also have the structure of the AIIB, (Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank), which has built relations with 57 member countries; except the U.S. and Japan

China plays a long game, they know American will sell anything to anyone for short term gains and they know American have no sense of respect for legacy industry. Chins does not sell its Legacy Industry, and no one can buy a Chinese Landmark, But in American, everything is for sale at any time to anyone. Heck, President George Bush and Cheney tried to sell the management of our ports to Dubia, Republican want to destroy Social Security, and create a nightmare that unimaginable for Medicare. This is the result of what decades of Hard Core Greed Training has reduced this nation too, and the Ivy Leagues pumps them out like a cloning machine.

What these imbeciles of arrogance does not understand, is that Vietnam and Iraq demonstrated that bombs and bullets win nothing, we are seeing that repeated again in Syria, all it does is leave displaced people and a wasteland, that has a resulting impacts of Humpty Dumpty falling off the wall and the pieces are unrecognizable, so there is no putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. 100's of years after the devastation of the American Indian, still among some nothing is learned, other than an embolden sense of arrogance. Of the likes of the Alt -Right, who think they had a right to do such things.

Not only is China watching, but many other nations are watching. The European strong hold is now fractured even more than it has been over all the decades, continually shrinking. But, with people like Trump at the helm, whom can't see it, and don't know it and is unable to understand it. All they see is the chase for dollars. It would only take other nations to move together and knock the U.S. down as the leading reserve currency, and everything about America will change overnight, and its debts may be called and further devastate it, and there is nothing at this point that America can do other than start firing off munitions.
Without Chinese steel, even that can't be sustained. China has watched for almost 2 decades the 20-30 billion month in trade deficits, they watched more than 2 decades ago, white men, rushing to China trying to give away anything for cheap labor, they watched them run back to American claiming themselves a Hero, and China was patient and unmoved, because they knew in the long term, not only would these same people, create the network China needs to export its goods, China knew that it would soon have and own all these business, as well as target any type of business in America it wanted to dominate and ultimately over-take.

Trump has to see beyond his 10-20 blocks of property. and figure out that the world is a big place and there are now many powerful players, and some of them respect what is Legacy and will protect their legacy as a nation, and their legacy properties and their legacy industries. Every day in American some historic one legacy business is failing or being consumed by a new kid on the block carrying a bag of debt.

Maybe the average America is not aware that China has skills at running a country with a variety of governing styles, and they've successfully done so for at the very least 30+ yrs. We can't even touch the development that exist in Taiwan cities, nor can we come close to the environmental advancements of Singapore, or the advanced usage of technology in the everyday life likes its done in South Korea.

Arrogance won't fix or change any of that. Countries will work to shape and re-shape trade deals, but what they won't allow is for themselves to be shut out of anything as it relates to their own progress, for the sake of America. Many of these countries see America as a nation that continue to sell anything and everything, for the spin of a buck.
It's like the Arabs ? Muslim, they don't have American values driving their system. They care about their religion and their land. You can't kill that with a bullet, nor can you take their land, by force. If one wants the truth, go look back at the history of the British and ask yourself how and why did their empire shrink and retract itself.
The more they relied on the foreign nation labor, the more it eroded within itself at home, until it could no longer afford to occupy and maintain occupancy and controls. As brutal as they were in seizing controls, they were not willing to give it up so easily, UNTIL it came evident that Their own home center was falling like a giant rock in a small tank of water.

Half of the arrogantly driven republican are too old to fight anything, except their way to the doctors office, but they talk crap and bully stop as if they think this is the hey day of the Post War War II a few years and few months of glory dancing.

It's a New World - President Obama saw it, and knows it,that's why he ushered in Diplomacy as a base manner of dealing with other nations, and their dealing with us.

Remember, Today's world, everyone has computers, and China has super computers, besides we barely can even find a lap top or desktop that is not made in China. We can't even build them here because corporate greed won't allow it, without importing the parts from the Asian Pacific and East Asian regions. American executives don't even trust American to work or know how to work, and they certainly don't want to pay any American a wage that meets the standard of living. This is how the pursuit of power makes ignorant the wealthy, as it has done over and over and over in and throughout history.

Trump need to think about this stuff before he goes flipping his lips.

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Old 12-12-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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Trump is going to **** off the Chinese... its a done deal... the trade war is about to get real interesting... The Chinese know they can't win... they don't have the money... their communist government will fall when their people suffer... they can't fight back effectively and they want to scare people away from what's coming... it ain't working...
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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China is completely uncivilized. Don't waste breath on trying to react to them.
Don't underestimate them. The Chinese are warriors from way back.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I would ask them if there was a miss-translation error, and are they referring to the one about to leave office?
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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Actually, most of this low end manufacturing has been moving away from China to much lower cost locales like Vietnam, Bangladesh and India. The US had had a trade deficit for 40 years. A trade surplus or trade deficit is no necessarily something whine about.
If you don't feel US jobs are important, I guess you can see it that way.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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"Childish and impulsive......"


Yes, those words are an appropriate description, along with many others---check out Romney's comments and there are few more that are applicable as well.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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I would agree and continue on with my day
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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The chance of a Chinese attack is as remote as an liberal with an IQ above 50... spreading Fake news... cause they can't be any smarter...
Please stop with the Fake News card. It's so ridiculous. If something is indeed Fake News, prove it with a link that is not from the far-right media like Breitbart. Otherwise come up with some reputable sources for your proclamations. Social media is not a news source.
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