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When the men didn't abandon their families, and marriage BEFORE children was the norm.
exactly. 73% of black children are born out of wedlock into homes with no father. Thats a staggering number, close to 3 out of 4 children are born in black families without fathers. The black family was much stronger before the 1960s and the "war on poverty" "the great society" and the growth of the welfare state
You have a welfare system that basically encourages women to have children out of wedlock, you make more money that way . unless something is done to change the welfare state,public housing,etc, we are going to be dealing with a permanent underclass created by the welfare state
What do you think it's like for most white people who don't want to end up a bum? This is the job, this is the pay. Don't like it, go work somewhere else. That's the way it has always been. If you don't like it, that's fine, but what is the alternative?
That's not really what i'm talking about, but i understand what you're saying.
exactly. 73% of black children are born out of wedlock into homes with no father. Thats a staggering number, close to 3 out of 4 children are born in black families without fathers. The black family was much stronger before the 1960s and the "war on poverty" "the great society" and the growth of the welfare state
You have a welfare system that basically encourages women to have children out of wedlock, you make more money that way . unless something is done to change the welfare state,public housing,etc, we are going to be dealing with a permanent underclass created by the welfare state
What you stated I believe is the root of the problem for black America. With no father figure in these kids' lives and everyone in the family working full time to take advantage of the welfare system, the next generation of black kids are doomed. Unfortunately for them, this is exactly the scenario that the Democratic party wants them to be in. Total dependency on the government.
It may or may not be irony, but the most rapid descent to the toilet for black families seems to also coincide with the Hip Hop and Rap music scene. Young easily led minds with no strong intelligent parental guidance available to them eat up the filth that's spouted in these songs and follow the message to the degree of ruining their lives. Great career choice. Wannabe Gangstas.
What you stated I believe is the root of the problem for black America. With no father figure in these kids' lives and everyone in the family working full time to take advantage of the welfare system, the next generation of black kids are doomed. Unfortunately for them, this is exactly the scenario that the Democratic party wants them to be in. Total dependency on the government.
It may or may not be irony, but the most rapid descent to the toilet for black families seems to also coincide with the Hip Hop and Rap music scene. Young easily led minds with no strong intelligent parental guidance available to them eat up the filth that's spouted in these songs and follow the message to the degree of ruining their lives. Great career choice. Wannabe Gangstas.
I agree with the first paragraph (for the most part), but not the second (for the most part).
The lack of fathers is a major part of the problem. Especially for boys growing up. We seem to do best when we have a parent of the same sex as our own while growing up. Now, obviously there are exceptions, but there are plenty of cases of women either dumping the guy or the guy beating feet to get the hell out of there.
And as far as Hip Hop and Rap goes; I strongly disagree. When hip hop first got started it was mostly either political or just about partying. Gangsta Rap didn't become popular until the late 1980s. If anything it came out after the spread of gangs around America.
I think that Gangsta Rap is more of a symptom rather than the cause.
And Gangsta Rap is not all bad and even rappers with some of the most aggressive lyrics have had songs that address serious issues and go beyond "I'm a criminal and that is awesome". Like 2Pac's Brenda Got A Baby is about an uneducated girl from the projects who is raped by her cousin, doesn't tell anyone out of shame, her neglectful family doesn't even notice she is pregnant, has her baby, tries to abandon it by leaving it in a garbage can, and comes back out of guilt.
That's pretty heavy and it is a bleak song where nobody comes out looking good.
50 Cent's Baltimore Love Thing is a song that's about drug addiction. It's about a junkie's relationship with heroin told from heroin's point of view. In the song heroin takes on the persona of an abusive boyfriend who keeps shifting between sweet talking his "lover" and threatening her when she tries to "leave" him. The song even has one point where he lists a bunch of celebrities who died of heroin overdoes and says, "See I hang with rock stars and now I'm f--king with you"
Dr Dre's Bang Bang is a song about gang violence and it's not what you might think. It's about the senselessness of gang violence and how destructive it is. It mentions innocent people being killed by crossfire and people loosely connected with gangs getting because of who their friends are and includes the line "N---as doing each other worse than the Klan".
There is a lot more to Gangsta Rap than (to quote Steve Bermann) "Big screen TVs, blunts, 40s, and b----es".
The Black condition in America is the product of Black people. Black people are responsible for their own lives. Blaming Democrats is stupid. There are plenty of Democrat run cities that aren't cesspools like Detroit or Flint. No one is forcing Black people to vote for Democrats or accept handouts. They do this freely and on their own.
Being a free man or woman, working for a living, is little different from slavery?
Sharecropping is far different from anything else. Being in debt to someone else may not be slavery, but it has similarities to it. Sharecropping basically worked like being in debt.
Right now, this is the best Blacks have had it. Blacks have more freedoms than ever before. Voting, no grandfather clause, no poll tax. Living in the place of one's choosing. Eating in any restaurant of one's choosing. No "Whites Only" signs. No Jim Crow laws, racially restrictive convenants cannot be enforced. Interracial marriage is legal in EVERY state.
There are more Blacks in the middle class than there were in the 1960s and before. There are more Blacks with college diplomas than ever before. There are more Black millionaires than ever before. There are more black doctors, engineers, and lawyers than before. While this is still not as much as other ethnic groups, it is better compared to 1950. The OP is talking about when "Blacks had it much better". Back in those days Malcolm X was told that because he was Black, he couldn't be a lawyer. Back in those days, Blacks were legally barred from living in certain places. Most Blacks living back those days could not vote. Today, Blacks are voting at all time highs.
Back when "Black had it better" as is claimed, there were some Republican Presidents who turned their back on Blacks. Among them were Herbert C. Hoover and Willam H. Taft. Both Presidents broke their alliances with Blacks to appeal with southern voters of the early 20th century. There existed the Lily White Movement. This was a movement by some Republicans of the early 20th century who saw Blacks as worthless and wanted to oust them from the Republican Party. Both parties have racist skeletons in the closet. Now let's apply some math. Most Blacks who did vote were voting for Republicans in the early to mid 20th century. However, most Black voters lived outside of the South. Most Blacks lived in the South, and most Blacks in the USA during this time couldn't vote as a result of the oppressive laws in the South.
If all anyone can talk about is "we are the Party of Lincoln", then there is a problem. What about NOW? What about the last 45 years? And what about Hoover, Taft, and the Lily White Movement?
I agree with the first paragraph (for the most part), but not the second (for the most part).
The lack of fathers is a major part of the problem. Especially for boys growing up. We seem to do best when we have a parent of the same sex as our own while growing up. Now, obviously there are exceptions, but there are plenty of cases of women either dumping the guy or the guy beating feet to get the hell out of there.
FYI: Being born out of wedlock does not necessarily mean that the they don't have a father figure. Sometimes it does, although in other cases the father is involved in the child's life despite not living with the mother.
If you go to parts of Chicago or Detroit that are heavily black, you'll see men out with kids quite often.
Being a free man or woman, working for a living, is little different from slavery?
Obviously, you know little about post antebellum sharecropping in the South.
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