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Old 09-18-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I liked the article. The intentional use of fallacies to deceive. And the inability to detect them.
If what you said above is true, then you will be able to answer the following question.

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Cutting top end taxes causes the economy to grow.
How do top end tax cuts cause the economy to grow?

The top end of American taxpayers are billionaire CEO's and large corporations. These are the same people and groups that are outsourcing American jobs. When you give the top end tax cuts it gives them the money to build new call centers in India and new factories in China (so when you call a large American corporation you are talking to a service agent in India, and when you buy a product from a American corporation the product was made in China.)

And today in America small businesses and start-ups create the overwhelming majority of new jobs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...459_story.html

How do top end tax cuts cause the AMERICAN economy to grow?
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Old 09-18-2016, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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People too worried about "government" telling them what to do that they completely overlook who is really running the show. Please. We're all so exhausted from arguing about who can go to which bathroom that we can't see what is right in front of our faces: Washington is beholden to corporate America, which wields unfathomable power and serves its own interests regardless of which party is currently in charge.
The "private sector" is merely an extension of the State's plutocratic oligarchy in which the vast majority of folks serve at the behest of the ruling class (several hundred to a few thousand in the banking families).

Keep voting, arguing D vs. R, etc. We are all slaves. Doesn't matter.
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Old 09-18-2016, 05:22 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The "private sector" is merely an extension of the State's plutocratic oligarchy in which the vast majority of folks serve at the behest of the ruling class (several hundred to a few thousand in the banking families).

Keep voting, arguing D vs. R, etc. We are all slaves. Doesn't matter.
One political party is trying to pass campaign finance reform laws to stop these "banking families" from giving our politicians huge amounts of campaign money.

Senate Republicans Block Campaign Finance Bill : NPR


Washington politics is all about campaign money. And republicans get 100% of their money from CEO's and large corporations. But the democrats get huge amounts of money from worker unions (teachers, plumbers, carpenters, and other regular Americans) and money from environmental groups and honorable/charitable billionaires. So the democrats will do FEW good things.
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Old 09-19-2016, 07:38 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Have you ever thought it might be the other way around. That corporate America must pay government bribes just to leave them alone?


A solution no matter what is the horse and what is the cart. Reduce the size of government.
No, I do not agree. Money drives Washington, and it does their bidding.
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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People too worried about "government" telling them what to do that they completely overlook who is really running the show. Please. We're all so exhausted from arguing about who can go to which bathroom that we can't see what is right in front of our faces: Washington is beholden to corporate America, which wields unfathomable power and serves its own interests regardless of which party is currently in charge.
This is the most relevant and accurate internet post in the entire country right now.
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Cutting top end taxes causes the economy to grow.
History and reality have proven this wrong time and again. Even in US history of the past century. You could not be more wrong, in fact.
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Old 09-19-2016, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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No, I do not agree. Money drives Washington, and it does their bidding.
So how did this dynamic start?
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Old 09-19-2016, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Houston
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No, I do not agree. Money drives Washington, and it does their bidding.

Not sure why corporate taxes are not zero in that case.


The government is like the mob ya have to pay to play.
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Old 09-20-2016, 09:43 AM
 
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Have you ever thought it might be the other way around. That corporate America must pay government bribes just to leave them alone?


A solution no matter what is the horse and what is the cart. Reduce the size of government.
Its becoming harder and harder as the Democrats, with help from the GOP, are bringing in more people who only understand big government.
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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So how did this dynamic start?
Well..when Alexander Hamilton started the first Federal Bank...and when our fledgling Govt. realized that the only way it could operate and grow was through deficit financing....the larger business interests quickly showed our young Govt. that a friendly relationship was beneficial to all concerned--except the people--not that anyone really cared.



“The business of America is business.” Calvin Coolidge quote
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