Lost Rights and Freedoms? (enemy, weapon, Denver, carry)

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Ahhh...got one! The right for ranchers to free-graze on public lands. For most of our history, that was an understood and unquestioned right. That has been lost. Don't know enough about the issue to comment good or bad.

[BentBow]

The ability to Preach the Gospel, from a street corner, in major downtown Progressiville.
The ability to believe in what one wishes to believe in.
The ability to associated and do business with people one chooses.
The ability to carry a weapon, no questions asked.
The ability to purchase any weapon one chooses, no questions asked
The ability to make a weapon no questions asked
The ability to sell a weapon no questions asked
The ability to distribute many weapons no questions asked
The ability to have any "small arms" one chose
The ability to have privacy and not have my articles ruffled through
The ability not to incriminate ones self or anyone else

That is just at the federal level off the top of my head

At the State level and especially local levels, liberty can be rare. Everything is controlled.


But remember the golden rule of LIBERTY: It is not illegal, until you get caught.

[EvilEyeFleegle]

LoL..ok..I'm sensing a theme here...not sure when we repealed the 5th amendment.

6 out of 11 having to do with guns?

I will point out that the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms...it does not take away from the Govt. their duty to regulate that right as they see fit. This is how the Supreme Court sees it, anyway.

I think that the public welfare is to be considered as well...not just the rights of the individual.

Not sure about the right to preach...or where Progressiville is. In the many major US cities I travel to I often see/hear people preaching from corners...I guess as long as they do not impinge of the liberty of others and their ability to move freely down the sidewalk..I've not seen any hassles.

[whogo]

Kids have had lemonade stands shut down and people have been stopped from feeding the homeless.

To add to what Frank said, a business cannot even decide to allow smoking in its establishment.

100 years ago coke was in cola.

We have a come way in giving equal rights to all while continuing to shrink what those rights are.

Try driving down the road with kids in the back of your pick up and see how far you get.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by EvilEyeFleegle

I've been hearing a constant refrain in these forums that goes like this "We've lost so many of our rights and freedoms" and "We've had our freedoms and rights taken from us."
This is usually followed by slogans like "Make America Great Again"

I'd appreciate someone telling me when America was Greater/better than now...please be specific as to how it was better and why.

I've started this thread to explore just what "rights" and "freedoms" people feel that we have lost or had taken away from us.

Terms-I guess a freedom can be a very subjective thing-so the field is wide open.

Rights-I'm using the definition a Right is something that is codified by law..and taken away by law.

My take..about the only Right that I can think of that has been taken is the right to freely move between Canada and Mexico without a passport.

Freedom of speech and freedom of information have been greatly increased by the internet..although like anything else, the internet requires a lot of discretion as to what to believe or not. It certainly gives a forum to people whose voices would never have been heard. So..a Freedom gained and a right enhanced.

In fact, as I think of it..we have many more Rights than in the past. Many see this as the problem...The right to have a legal and safe abortion...the right not to be discriminated against on the basis of gender orientation, to name a couple.

Let's put it this way. I'm 66, and I can't think of a single right that I don't have now that I ever had. It's just political hyperbole by the gripers who lost the last 2 presidential elections.

[whogo]

When I was a young child I never sat in a car seat.

When I learned to ride a bike I never rode a helmet.

I rode in the back of pick up trucks.

As I got older I would drink a beer while driving.

I could legally drive with a .14 BAC

All of these things are now illegal in many, most or all places.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

"It's not theft and slavery if the government does it to you."

- old statist proverb

Dear Johnny one note...that one recurrent theme day after day after day is getting monotonous. Furthermore, I don't think you actually know the definition of "statist". And, the opposite of statism is anarchism.

[whogo]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Let's put it this way. I'm 66, and I can't think of a single right that I don't have now that I ever had. It's just political hyperbole by the gripers who lost the last 2 presidential elections.

Drink to you get to the .14 BAC level. Tell your grandkids to get in the back of the pick up and then go for a drive. Call your lawyer first.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

We have lost our right to self-determination. Consequently, we have lost our right to have a government by and for the people.

Or perhaps having a government by and for the people is too complex when there are 319,000,000 of us.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by EvilEyeFleegle

LoL..ok..I'm sensing a theme here...not sure when we repealed the 5th amendment.

6 out of 11 having to do with guns?

I will point out that the 2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms...it does not take away from the Govt. their duty to regulate that right as they see fit. This is how the Supreme Court sees it, anyway.

I think that the public welfare is to be considered as well...not just the rights of the individual.

Not sure about the right to preach...or where Progressiville is. In the many major US cities I travel to I often see/hear people preaching from corners...I guess as long as they do not impinge of the liberty of others and their ability to move freely down the sidewalk..I've not seen any hassles.

I didn't even get into the 9th and 10th amendments which no longer exist either...

Funny how the only amendment that says, shall not be infringed, is infringed on the most?

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776