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Many use of force laws greatly denounce brandishing as a deterrent. I know, it is stupid as there are many situations, including the one in this situation where simple brandishing in self defense deescalated the situation (ie the protesters backed off, and were less aggressive).
In most situations unfortunately, due to the stupidity of legislation (speculate as you will if their choice to this is deceitful and with purpose) it is much better "legally" to wait until there is an obvious violation and then to commit to lethal force in the defense (ie wait till you are being physically attacked) of such than it is to simply "brandish" to back someone off.
The fact is, depending on state, government would rather you wait (endangering your life) until you are absolutely justified in killing an aggressor than draw a weapon prior to such with the possibility of defusing it by a simple show of force.
I don't think I would live in a state that would punish me for such an action.
Question, if you have unarmed people advancing on you in a hostile manner that refuse to stop pursuing you as you retreat, do you wait until you are being assaulted before you use the threat of your sidearm to try to escape?
I'm one of those people that if I were to find myself surrounded by an angry mob while I'm in my car and I'm their focus, I'm gunning it.
There are exceptions to every rule. A situation where multiple assailants are involved, or a vastly physically superior individual, can be taken into account. I personally, have a bit more wiggle room on such situations, due to physical disability. Hand to band combat isn't highly advised. Though I'm capable , and I always carry an LTL option, against multiple attackers, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. Same with some 300# gorilla on meth. No, you don't have to wait until physical contact is made. If you and/or your loved ones, or the life of another citizen, are, in your very best judgement, in imminent danger, then stop the fight.
Speaking for myself, I will not brandish or warn. If my weapon comes out, I will use it. Irregardless of circumstances, just be ready to answer the tough questions in the aftermath. Much depends on the cops who arrive on scene, Witnesses, the eventsleading up to the incident, etc. And, of course, the laws that are applicable. The aftermath of a self defense use of lethal force sucks. Trust me on that, I do know. Even in the most clear cut cases, your weapon will be taken, and, depending on the responding cops, then it begins.
In one particular case, that I'm all to familiar with, an attempted, violent street rape, the officers that responded were great. The situation was cut and dry, and the bad guy lost. Badly, but only after some pretty bad damage was done. Their on scene report was all in favor of the victim. Still, a detective that did further interview, tried to trip her up. Fishing for wrong words,and other things that would spin things to place blame on the victim. He was an a$$hole! Playing mind games with a traumatized woman, who was just mentally and physically wrecked.
So, my advice is be prepared for the worst, when it comes to the cops, and the DA as well. Much depends on individual ;attitudes and politics as well. The situation can go from bad to worse. So expect the worst, and pray for the best.
The law doesn't permit pointing guns at people because one feels disrespected. Hence the reason he was arrested. I wonder if he made bail yet.
No, he felt threatened and the video clearly brought that to evidence.
His weapon, brought respect from those threatening. No one died. That is how it works. Push it and they die. Liberty! Choices in life. Live or die.
There are exceptions to every rule. A situation where multiple assailants are involved, or a vastly physically superior individual, can be taken into account. I personally, have a bit more wiggle room on such situations, due to physical disability. Hand to band combat isn't highly advised. Though I'm capable , and I always carry an LTL option, against multiple attackers, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. Same with some 300# gorilla on meth. No, you don't have to wait until physical contact is made. If you and/or your loved ones, or the life of another citizen, are, in your very best judgement, in imminent danger, then stop the fight.
Speaking for myself, I will not brandish or warn. If my weapon comes out, I will use it. Irregardless of circumstances, just be ready to answer the tough questions in the aftermath. Much depends on the cops who arrive on scene, Witnesses, the eventsleading up to the incident, etc. And, of course, the laws that are applicable. The aftermath of a self defense use of lethal force sucks. Trust me on that, I do know. Even in the most clear cut cases, your weapon will be taken, and, depending on the responding cops, then it begins.
In one particular case, that I'm all to familiar with, an attempted, violent street rape, the officers that responded were great. The situation was cut and dry, and the bad guy lost. Badly, but only after some pretty bad damage was done. Their on scene report was all in favor of the victim. Still, a detective that did further interview, tried to trip her up. Fishing for wrong words,and other things that would spin things to place blame on the victim. He was an a$$hole! Playing mind games with a traumatized woman, who was just mentally and physically wrecked.
So, my advice is be prepared for the worst, when it comes to the cops, and the DA as well. Much depends on individual ;attitudes and politics as well. The situation can go from bad to worse. So expect the worst, and pray for the best.
The purpose is to keep from getting assaulted, because as soon as the pain is felt, the George Zimmerman in me will come out. No need for anyone to die.
For somebody fearing for his life, he sure took his time to leave the scene. At one point it looks like he even had a conversation after pulling out his gun.
From the little bit I see, it appears the BLM people wanted to scare him back to where he came from. Only his pride couldn't handle it. So he pulled out his gun and aimed it at the crowd, to show them who's the boss.
Just for a second, forget he had a gun, before he pulled it no one knew he had one.
Now, "the BLM people wanted to scare him back to where he came from"?
Since when is that ok? A BLM crowd scaring anyone isn't legal in any part of the USA. Its now okay for a BLM crowd to scare people to make them move? You actually think that is ok?
That is mob rule, you better think twice about what you're talking about. Would it be the same if a crowd of whites tried to scare a black to go back where they came from?
There is no justification for any crowd to scare anyone because when they do that they become an illegal mob.
The guy was dumb. Fine. Preceding what he did was a mob violating someone's civil rights, the same kind of rights they say they want to protect for themselves. Pure nonsense. If BLM people want to use these tactics then sooner or later BLM will be on the receiving end of some very nasty consequences. Its just the way the pendulum swings, violate someone's civil rights while claiming to secure your own and people stop listening to you and stop supporting you and start targeting YOU.
Its comical how much scary people love the power that a gun gives them but I wonder if they contemplate that others carry guns just as well. I wonder how he would have responded if several of the aggressors had pulled out their 'pieces'. That's when you would find out who's really ready for whatever. Yeah you may have been big and bad to pull out, but how tough are you when the bullets start flying and you have a few hot ones flying pass your head or ricocheting in your vicinity.
Its comical how much scary people love the power that a gun gives them but I wonder if they contemplate that others carry guns just as well. I wonder how he would have responded if several of the aggressors had pulled out their 'pieces'. That's when you would find out who's really ready for whatever. Yeah you may have been big and bad to pull out, but how tough are you when the bullets start flying and you have a few hot ones flying pass your head or ricocheting in your vicinity.
That is a good question, but no doubt, who ever gets the drop has the advantage.
In this case, there was some aggression he is clearly trying to remove himself from. As soon as the one got in his 6 and touched his articles, the weapon was pulled to let them know, they are not fooling with unarmed prey.
Would they have messed with him had it been crystal clear he was packing heat? It looks as if he has a pouch style holster, similar to a cell phone holder.
No, he felt threatened and the video clearly brought that to evidence.
His weapon, brought respect from those threatening. No one died. That is how it works. Push it and they die. Liberty! Choices in life. Live or die.
Your right, everything ended fine indeed. Has he made bail yet?
He is white so I suspect that to the NRA and many Republicans this was just another good guy with a gun helpfully teaching a few uppity minorities their proper place in society.
Their "proper place in society"? You mean like not threatening, attacking or potentially killing another human being?
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