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Old 08-03-2016, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Prior to Obama...were there any US presidents that gave US taxpayer dollars to the leaders of countries that referred to America as "the Great Satan" and called for "Death to America" and promised genocide of an entire nation of people if they have the opportunity?

Or is he the first traitor in the White House?

We should have distributed those funds to the 52 Americans kidnapped and held for over a year by Iran. As well as distributed it to victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism in Israel.
What taxpayer dollars? Iran's own monies. Not ours.

That was Reagan that used taxpayer dollars to support terrorism and provide missiles for Iran, all in one big illegal package, with a bow. A very short selective memory some folks have.

Funds were already taken for the 52 from companies that violated American economic sanctions against Iran:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/24/us/ame...-compensation/
The former hostages were never allowed to take Iran to court because of the agreement between the US Government and Tehran that freed them.

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Old 08-03-2016, 01:57 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Prior to Obama...were there any US presidents that gave US taxpayer dollars to the leaders of countries that referred to America as "the Great Satan" and called for "Death to America" and promised genocide of an entire nation of people if they have the opportunity?

Or is he the first traitor in the White House?

We should have distributed those funds to the 52 Americans kidnapped and held for over a year by Iran. As well as distributed it to victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism in Israel.


Obama didn't give any taxpayer dollars to Iran, either. Did you even bother to read the stories?
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ericsami View Post
It is no wonder that we have two of the most unpopular candidates in documented history of our elections!

It is because of uneducated voters like the Original Poster.

the U.S did not give a penny to Iran. Iran has funds in banks in countries like south Korea, India,UAE, Japan that they now can easily transfer around the world.

the poster is either ignorant or a tool of war propaganda machine!
Original "uneducated poster" here .......

OP is "educated enough" to read/comprehend the Wall Street Journal AND the Iranian & TeamObama confirmation of this CASH transfer to Iran on wooden pallets that were shrink wrapped. This is supposedly the first installment on a Payment of $1.7 BILLION.

The Iranians were demanding the return of $400 million the Shah’s regime mdeposited into a Pentagon trust fund in 1979 to purchase U.S. fighter jets, U.S. officials said. They also wanted billions of dollars as interest accrued since then.

President Obama approved the shipment of the $400 million. But accumulating so much cash presented a logistical and security challenge, said U.S. and European officials. One person briefed on the operation joked: “You can’t just withdraw that much money from ATMs.”

Mr. Kerry and the State and Treasury departments sought the cooperation of the Swiss and Dutch governments. Ultimately, the Obama administration transferred the equivalent of $400 million to their central banks. It was then converted into other currencies, stacked onto the wooden pallets and sent to Iran on board a cargo


While it is true that there is $2 Billion frozen - the US Supreme Court has ruled that money can NOT be returned to Iran. They would have done the same with this pallet full of CASH -- if they had known of the secret side deal for ransom. That initial $400 Million was deposited at the Pentagon in 1979 for purchase of aircraft -- then came the Islamic Revolution, over-throw of the Iranian Government, Capture of the US Embassy in Iran (which they have NEVER returned) and 52 American diplomats were held hostage for 444 days. 8 men died attempting to rescue those Hostages. As late as November 2015, John Kerry said that Iran is a Terrorist sponsor ...... and yet ....... TeamObama airlifts pallets of shrink wrapped CASH amounting $400 Million.

When is somebody going to ask TeamObama ....... where did you get $400 Million and does it show up in any Audit or Budget? Nobody will ask, there is a Grand Legacy to promote/protect.

It's Disgusting - I would remind everyone that the US Supreme Court has ruled Against paying money to IRAN.
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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I am surprised he did not grant them a large portion of US terrority as well to "make them like us".

Libs- you voted for that clown. You own his idiocy.
Are we sure he didn't??? We just found out about this.
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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Dangerous precedent set here. Now any two bit dictatorship will incarcerate Americans for ransom.

Stupid just struck ............... again.
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Old 08-03-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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Because it is still illegal for the US to make any payments to Iran in USD. It's in the article.


It wasn't secret - the AP reported on it back in Jan, I believe.
Any other questions?
YEP - it was Illegal to pay-off Iran in US Dollars.
It's called Money Laundering when you take Illegal Money and turn it to CASH that is untraceable.

That untraceable CASH is used by Hezbollah, Hamas and in Yemen by Terrorists.
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Old 08-03-2016, 05:12 PM
 
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Dangerous precedent set here. Now any two bit dictatorship will incarcerate Americans for ransom.

Stupid just struck ............... again.
Bush paid the Abu Sayyaf Organization to release American hostages in the Philippines back in 2002.

The precedent was set years ago.
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YEP - it was Illegal to pay-off Iran in US Dollars.
It's called Money Laundering when you take Illegal Money and turn it to CASH that is untraceable.

That untraceable CASH is used by Hezbollah, Hamas and in Yemen by Terrorists.
The United States did this too during Iran Contra.
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Prior to Obama...were there any US presidents that gave US taxpayer dollars to the leaders of countries that referred to America as "the Great Satan" and called for "Death to America" and promised genocide of an entire nation of people if they have the opportunity?

Or is he the first traitor in the White House?
I like how you intentionally phrased the question to discount trading arms for hostages as an act worthy of the 'treason' label. Convenient; but transparent to anyone who lived during that period. But then Iran-Contra isn't the only historical example - Reagan had his hands full during the 10-year Lebanon Hostage Crisis.

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North Enlisted Billionaire Perot to Ransom Hostages

Several times over the last five years, Marine Lt. Col. Oliver L. North arranged for Texas billionaire H. Ross Perot to put up ransom money in unsuccessful secret attempts to obtain the release of various American hostages, including those held in Lebanon, according to informed sources.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-a5a4769c9dd1/
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THE WHITE HOUSE CRISIS; U.S. AIDES TELL OF HOSTAGE PLAN THAT COLLAPSED

WASHINGTON, March 1— In early 1986, the Reagan Administration put together a complex operation to rescue a hostage in Lebanon by paying a multimillion-dollar ransom with chemically treated bills designed to disintegrate after several days, according to Administration officials.

The officials said the operation was on the brink of succeeding when the United States carried out its bombing of Libya on April 15. The hostage, Peter Kilburn, was reported dead days later by an Arab group that said it was avenging the Libya raid.

THE WHITE HOUSE CRISIS - U.S. AIDES TELL OF HOSTAGE PLAN THAT COLLAPSED - NYTimes.com
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Traitor you say?

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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
Prior to Obama...were there any US presidents that gave US taxpayer dollars to the leaders of countries that referred to America as "the Great Satan" and called for "Death to America" and promised genocide of an entire nation of people if they have the opportunity?

Or is he the first traitor in the White House?

We should have distributed those funds to the 52 Americans kidnapped and held for over a year by Iran. As well as distributed it to victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism in Israel.
Just so you know...

Those weren't "taxpayer dollars."

That was money Iran paid for buying US weapons back in the 70s that we never delivered.
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Old 08-03-2016, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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YEP - it was Illegal to pay-off Iran in US Dollars.
It's called Money Laundering when you take Illegal Money and turn it to CASH that is untraceable.

That untraceable CASH is used by Hezbollah, Hamas and in Yemen by Terrorists.
Now it's money laundering, they can't transfer directly from US banks why is this so difficult.


It's not illegal and it's Iran's money that was frozen.
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