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Old 03-31-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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It's not that people rip on him so much, he had it coming. But the fact that people aren't JUST AS angry over the other politicians, who are just as slimy and corrupt. I'm not voting for the man, but Trump wears his emotions on his sleeve. I am more worried, however, by the politicians who hide their agendas in their underpants.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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Have you actually had a conversation with anyone who isn't voting republican this time around?
I work with the public, and I have had many conversations with various people, and what I often notice is that the conversation shifts to remarks belittling Trump. Only a few have painted the other candidates in such a way.
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Old 03-31-2016, 09:27 AM
 
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It's not that people rip on him so much, he had it coming. But the fact that people aren't JUST AS angry over the other politicians, who are just as slimy and corrupt. I'm not voting for the man, but Trump wears his emotions on his sleeve. I am more worried, however, by the politicians who hide their agendas in their underpants.
I think it's because Trump has been pushed in everyone's face as 'The Anti-Establishment Candidate'. Politicians are expected to be slimy and corrupt by default. But Trump was relentlessly marketed to be the exact opposite of that.

So when he proves to be equally shady, it's like a double betrayal. Not only is he dishonest in standard politician ways, he was dishonest about being dishonest. It's a meta-betrayal. :/
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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I think it's because Trump has been pushed in everyone's face as 'The Anti-Establishment Candidate'. Politicians are expected to be slimy and corrupt by default. But Trump was relentlessly marketed to be the exact opposite of that.

So when he proves to be equally shady, it's like a double betrayal. Not only is he dishonest in standard politician ways, he was dishonest about being dishonest. It's a meta-betrayal. :/
Most of my issues with Trump have very little to do with the stupidity that comes out every time he opens his mouth, but rather his abysmal financial record and belittling of true war heroes like John McCain.

Trump is a mediocre businessman at best. At worst, he is utterly incompetent at running a public corporation. But sitting in the Oval Office isn't just about finance, its the other issues that arise with both domestic and foreign policy, as well as diplomacy with other countries. His repeated claims that somehow a 35 foot, 17 billion dollar wall along the entire Mexican border will magically stop the influx of drugs and illegal aliens crossing America's border every day is a prime example of this. Not only is this a truly stupid idea and colossal waste of money, buy claiming that he is somehow going to compel the Mexican government to pay for the wall (and be happy about it)is utterly ludicrous. All this for a wall that current events have demonstrated, will do nothing to resolve the issues it would be built to address.

Regarding Trumps comments about John McCain, let's be clear on a couple things.

John McCain's War Record:

On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying his twenty-third mission, part of a twenty-plane strike force against the Yen Phu thermal power plant in central Hanoi that previously had almost always been off-limits to U.S. raids due to the possibility of collateral damage. Arriving just before noon, McCain dove from 9,000 to 4,000 feet on his approach; as he neared the target, warning systems in McCain's A-4E Skyhawk alerted him that he was being tracked by enemy fire-control radar. Like other U.S. pilots in similar situations, he did not break off the bombing run, and he held his dive until he released his bombs at about 3,500 feet (1,000 m). As he started to pull up, the Skyhawk's wing was blown off by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile fired by the North Vietnamese Air Defense Command's 61st Battalion, commanded by Captain Nguyen Lan and with fire control officer Lieutenant Nguyen Xuan Dai. (McCain was later awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for this day, while Nguyen Xuan Dai was awarded the title Hero of the People's Armed Forces.Decades later, Soviet Army Lieutenant Yuri Trushechkin claimed that he had been the missile guidance officer who had shot McCain down.

In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he remained for two years. Unknown to the POWs, in April 1968, Jack McCain was named Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command (CINCPAC) effective in July, stationed in Honolulu and commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater. In mid-June, Major Bai, commander of the North Vietnamese prison camp system, offered McCain a chance to return home early. The North Vietnamese wanted to score a worldwide propaganda coup by appearing merciful, and also wanted to show other POWs that members of the elite like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain turned down the offer of release, due to the POWs' "first in, first out" interpretation of the U.S. Code of Conduct: he would only accept the offer if every man captured before him was released as well. McCain's refusal to be released was remarked upon by North Vietnamese senior negotiator Lê Đức Thọ to U.S. envoy Averell Harriman, during the ongoing Paris Peace Talks. Enraged by his declining of the offer, Bai and his assistant told McCain that things would get very bad for him.

In late August 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain. The North Vietnamese used rope bindings to put him into prolonged, painful positions and severely beat him every two hours, all while he was suffering from dysentery. His right leg was reinjured, his ribs were cracked, some teeth were broken at the gumline, and his left arm was re-fractured.


Donald Trump's war record:

A few weeks after his 22nd birthday, Donald Trump received a notice from the federal government. On July 9, 1968, his local draft board had scrawled a “1A” beside his name in its handwritten ledger, classifying him as available for unrestricted military service.

For the previous four years, Trump had avoided the draft — and the possibility of being sent to fight in the Vietnam War — by obtaining four separate deferments so he could study at Fordham University and the University of Pennsylvania. With his diploma in hand and his college days over, he was suddenly vulnerable to conscription.

Trump’s exposure to the draft, however, didn’t last long. Two months later, on Sept. 17, 1968, he reported for an armed forces physical examination and was medically disqualified, according to the ledger from his local Selective Service System draft board in Jamaica, N.Y., now in the custody of the National Archives.

The ledger does not detail why Trump failed the exam — the Selective Service destroyed all medical records and individual files after the draft ended in 1973 and the military converted to an all-volunteer force.

In recent days, Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, and his campaign have said that he received the medical deferment because he had bone spurs in his feet. But rather than clear up all questions about why he did not serve in the military during the Vietnam era, they have given shifting accounts that are at odds with the few remaining documents in his Selective Service file.

Trump has given limited information about the nature of his medical ailment from 1968 that left him classified as “1-Y,” or unqualified for duty except in the case of a national emergency.

On Saturday, during a campaign stop in Iowa, Trump said he had a bone spur in his foot but couldn’t recall which one.

Pressed for details, he told reporters to research his draft records. “You’ll have to look it up,” he said. Later that day, his campaign issued a statement saying he had bone spurs in both of his heels.


For Trump to condescend a decorated war hero like McCain while proving himself to be a yellow-bellied coward is enough to to not only deserve the criticism that is constantly heaped on him, but also shows beyond a doubt that he has no business acting as Commander-In-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. I honestly cannot fathom how people could be so daft as to be duped by this shyster.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Most of my issues with Trump have very little to do with the stupidity that comes out every time he opens his mouth, but rather his abysmal financial record and belittling of true war heroes like John McCain.

Trump is a mediocre businessman at best. At worst, he is utterly incompetent at running a public corporation. But sitting in the Oval Office isn't just about finance, its the other issues that arise with both domestic and foreign policy, as well as diplomacy with other countries. His repeated claims that somehow a 35 foot, 17 billion dollar wall along the entire Mexican border will magically stop the influx of drugs and illegal aliens crossing America's border every day is a prime example of this. Not only is this a truly stupid idea and colossal waste of money, buy claiming that he is somehow going to compel the Mexican government to pay for the wall (and be happy about it)is utterly ludicrous. All this for a wall that current events have demonstrated, will do nothing to resolve the issues it would be built to address.

Regarding Trumps comments about John McCain, let's be clear on a couple things.

John McCain's War Record:

On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying his twenty-third mission, part of a twenty-plane strike force against the Yen Phu thermal power plant in central Hanoi that previously had almost always been off-limits to U.S. raids due to the possibility of collateral damage. Arriving just before noon, McCain dove from 9,000 to 4,000 feet on his approach; as he neared the target, warning systems in McCain's A-4E Skyhawk alerted him that he was being tracked by enemy fire-control radar. Like other U.S. pilots in similar situations, he did not break off the bombing run, and he held his dive until he released his bombs at about 3,500 feet (1,000 m). As he started to pull up, the Skyhawk's wing was blown off by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile fired by the North Vietnamese Air Defense Command's 61st Battalion, commanded by Captain Nguyen Lan and with fire control officer Lieutenant Nguyen Xuan Dai. (McCain was later awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for this day, while Nguyen Xuan Dai was awarded the title Hero of the People's Armed Forces.Decades later, Soviet Army Lieutenant Yuri Trushechkin claimed that he had been the missile guidance officer who had shot McCain down.

In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he remained for two years. Unknown to the POWs, in April 1968, Jack McCain was named Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command (CINCPAC) effective in July, stationed in Honolulu and commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater. In mid-June, Major Bai, commander of the North Vietnamese prison camp system, offered McCain a chance to return home early. The North Vietnamese wanted to score a worldwide propaganda coup by appearing merciful, and also wanted to show other POWs that members of the elite like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain turned down the offer of release, due to the POWs' "first in, first out" interpretation of the U.S. Code of Conduct: he would only accept the offer if every man captured before him was released as well. McCain's refusal to be released was remarked upon by North Vietnamese senior negotiator Lê Đức Thọ to U.S. envoy Averell Harriman, during the ongoing Paris Peace Talks. Enraged by his declining of the offer, Bai and his assistant told McCain that things would get very bad for him.

In late August 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain. The North Vietnamese used rope bindings to put him into prolonged, painful positions and severely beat him every two hours, all while he was suffering from dysentery. His right leg was reinjured, his ribs were cracked, some teeth were broken at the gumline, and his left arm was re-fractured.


Donald Trump's war record:

A few weeks after his 22nd birthday, Donald Trump received a notice from the federal government. On July 9, 1968, his local draft board had scrawled a “1A” beside his name in its handwritten ledger, classifying him as available for unrestricted military service.

For the previous four years, Trump had avoided the draft — and the possibility of being sent to fight in the Vietnam War — by obtaining four separate deferments so he could study at Fordham University and the University of Pennsylvania. With his diploma in hand and his college days over, he was suddenly vulnerable to conscription.

Trump’s exposure to the draft, however, didn’t last long. Two months later, on Sept. 17, 1968, he reported for an armed forces physical examination and was medically disqualified, according to the ledger from his local Selective Service System draft board in Jamaica, N.Y., now in the custody of the National Archives.

The ledger does not detail why Trump failed the exam — the Selective Service destroyed all medical records and individual files after the draft ended in 1973 and the military converted to an all-volunteer force.

In recent days, Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, and his campaign have said that he received the medical deferment because he had bone spurs in his feet. But rather than clear up all questions about why he did not serve in the military during the Vietnam era, they have given shifting accounts that are at odds with the few remaining documents in his Selective Service file.

Trump has given limited information about the nature of his medical ailment from 1968 that left him classified as “1-Y,” or unqualified for duty except in the case of a national emergency.

On Saturday, during a campaign stop in Iowa, Trump said he had a bone spur in his foot but couldn’t recall which one.

Pressed for details, he told reporters to research his draft records. “You’ll have to look it up,” he said. Later that day, his campaign issued a statement saying he had bone spurs in both of his heels.


For Trump to condescend a decorated war hero like McCain while proving himself to be a yellow-bellied coward is enough to to not only deserve the criticism that is constantly heaped on him, but also shows beyond a doubt that he has no business acting as Commander-In-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. I honestly cannot fathom how people could be so daft as to be duped by this shyster.
Ok, but still, how is this worse than the other candidates?
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:25 AM
 
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Most of my issues with Trump have very little to do with the stupidity that comes out every time he opens his mouth, but rather his abysmal financial record and belittling of true war heroes like John McCain.

Trump is a mediocre businessman at best. At worst, he is utterly incompetent at running a public corporation. But sitting in the Oval Office isn't just about finance, its the other issues that arise with both domestic and foreign policy, as well as diplomacy with other countries. His repeated claims that somehow a 35 foot, 17 billion dollar wall along the entire Mexican border will magically stop the influx of drugs and illegal aliens crossing America's border every day is a prime example of this. Not only is this a truly stupid idea and colossal waste of money, buy claiming that he is somehow going to compel the Mexican government to pay for the wall (and be happy about it)is utterly ludicrous. All this for a wall that current events have demonstrated, will do nothing to resolve the issues it would be built to address.

Regarding Trumps comments about John McCain, let's be clear on a couple things.

John McCain's War Record:

On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying his twenty-third mission, part of a twenty-plane strike force against the Yen Phu thermal power plant in central Hanoi that previously had almost always been off-limits to U.S. raids due to the possibility of collateral damage. Arriving just before noon, McCain dove from 9,000 to 4,000 feet on his approach; as he neared the target, warning systems in McCain's A-4E Skyhawk alerted him that he was being tracked by enemy fire-control radar. Like other U.S. pilots in similar situations, he did not break off the bombing run, and he held his dive until he released his bombs at about 3,500 feet (1,000 m). As he started to pull up, the Skyhawk's wing was blown off by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile fired by the North Vietnamese Air Defense Command's 61st Battalion, commanded by Captain Nguyen Lan and with fire control officer Lieutenant Nguyen Xuan Dai. (McCain was later awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for this day, while Nguyen Xuan Dai was awarded the title Hero of the People's Armed Forces.Decades later, Soviet Army Lieutenant Yuri Trushechkin claimed that he had been the missile guidance officer who had shot McCain down.

In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he remained for two years. Unknown to the POWs, in April 1968, Jack McCain was named Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command (CINCPAC) effective in July, stationed in Honolulu and commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater. In mid-June, Major Bai, commander of the North Vietnamese prison camp system, offered McCain a chance to return home early. The North Vietnamese wanted to score a worldwide propaganda coup by appearing merciful, and also wanted to show other POWs that members of the elite like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain turned down the offer of release, due to the POWs' "first in, first out" interpretation of the U.S. Code of Conduct: he would only accept the offer if every man captured before him was released as well. McCain's refusal to be released was remarked upon by North Vietnamese senior negotiator Lê Đức Thọ to U.S. envoy Averell Harriman, during the ongoing Paris Peace Talks. Enraged by his declining of the offer, Bai and his assistant told McCain that things would get very bad for him.

In late August 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain. The North Vietnamese used rope bindings to put him into prolonged, painful positions and severely beat him every two hours, all while he was suffering from dysentery. His right leg was reinjured, his ribs were cracked, some teeth were broken at the gumline, and his left arm was re-fractured.


Donald Trump's war record:

A few weeks after his 22nd birthday, Donald Trump received a notice from the federal government. On July 9, 1968, his local draft board had scrawled a “1A” beside his name in its handwritten ledger, classifying him as available for unrestricted military service.

For the previous four years, Trump had avoided the draft — and the possibility of being sent to fight in the Vietnam War — by obtaining four separate deferments so he could study at Fordham University and the University of Pennsylvania. With his diploma in hand and his college days over, he was suddenly vulnerable to conscription.

Trump’s exposure to the draft, however, didn’t last long. Two months later, on Sept. 17, 1968, he reported for an armed forces physical examination and was medically disqualified, according to the ledger from his local Selective Service System draft board in Jamaica, N.Y., now in the custody of the National Archives.

The ledger does not detail why Trump failed the exam — the Selective Service destroyed all medical records and individual files after the draft ended in 1973 and the military converted to an all-volunteer force.

In recent days, Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, and his campaign have said that he received the medical deferment because he had bone spurs in his feet. But rather than clear up all questions about why he did not serve in the military during the Vietnam era, they have given shifting accounts that are at odds with the few remaining documents in his Selective Service file.

Trump has given limited information about the nature of his medical ailment from 1968 that left him classified as “1-Y,” or unqualified for duty except in the case of a national emergency.

On Saturday, during a campaign stop in Iowa, Trump said he had a bone spur in his foot but couldn’t recall which one.

Pressed for details, he told reporters to research his draft records. “You’ll have to look it up,” he said. Later that day, his campaign issued a statement saying he had bone spurs in both of his heels.


For Trump to condescend a decorated war hero like McCain while proving himself to be a yellow-bellied coward is enough to to not only deserve the criticism that is constantly heaped on him, but also shows beyond a doubt that he has no business acting as Commander-In-Chief of the United States Armed Forces. I honestly cannot fathom how people could be so daft as to be duped by this shyster.
Exactly. Now he's putting on a front about being all for respecting veterans....***** please. I'll never believe a word of it after that draft dodger disrespected a soldier who underwent extreme torture while fighting for his country.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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Ok, but still, how is this worse than the other candidates?
I don't recall the other candidates blatantly disrespecting veterans the way Drumpf did.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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I don't recall the other candidates blatantly disrespecting veterans the way Drumpf did.
And then he follows up his ridicule of a man who withstood five years of torture as a "loser" by emphasizing that if he was president, he would use torture without a second thought, stating his intention to reinstate techniques that are "so much worse" and "so much stronger" than waterboarding, because "torture works."

This statement alone should disqualify Trump from the presidency, as it goes against not only the Geneva Conventions, but against everything this country is supposed to stand for. Americans were outraged by Abu Ghraib, and Trump is telling us he would re-institute that, and worse, if he had the chance. And the Trumpettes cheer.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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Oh look, another bash Trump thread by Trump deniers.
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Old 03-31-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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Free speech is only Free if you agree with the liberal lunatic left.

Had Trump ran as a blue dog moderate I predict Hildabeast would have been a frigging speed bump right now.
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