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Old 02-28-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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I see democrats and republicans arguing over this a lot and I would really like a straight forward, simple answer to my upcoming question.

To drink, one needs to show ID.

To buy cigarettes, one needs to show ID.

To go to a strip club, one needs to show ID.

To enter many work facilities, the employees need to show their ID.

The list goes on. So why do some people get upset when someone suggests requiring ID to DECIDE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY?

I don't get it. And I don't get why some people claim it would suppress minority turnout. Just provide everyone an ID and then they can use it. We would need to provide it for free, but we waste money on much worse things. So seriously, why not provide and then require voter ID, when it is required for so many other minor things in life? What is the harm? Seriously.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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I look old enough and am rarely asked for ID for alcohol, cigarettes though I don't smoke, or strip clubs.

But then again, some people like feel good laws that don't do anything other than make them feel good.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:44 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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I look old enough and am rarely asked for ID for alcohol, cigarettes though I don't smoke, or strip clubs.

But then again, some people like feel good laws that don't do anything other than make them feel good.
Isn't it just common sense to require ID, to decide the future of our country? Why not require it? How would it suppress minority turnout?
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I know it really is frustrating to hear the Dems block what should be common sense and take it one step further by stating the the Reps want to block people from voting.

Voting is a right that all citizens have and it is their choice to exercise it. People in prisons should not be allowed to vote since they checked themselves out of society when they broke the law. Illegal aliens should not be allowed to vote because they are not citizens.

Now for the folks who have the legal right to vote yet they do not have a photo ID like say a drivers license give them a voter ID card. The Dems will often say that the elderly, many of whom have given up their license but still want to vote will miss out on the chance to. I say months before the election why not go to the nursing homes, take photos and make up ID for them.
Where there is a will there is a way but the Dems like to shout unfair treatment and voting rights denials.

I also think that the voting age should be raised to 21. We guard our 18 year old kids when it comes to buying alcohol so we should guard against them making a uninformed decision at the polls.
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Old 02-28-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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I know it really is frustrating to hear the Dems block what should be common sense and take it one step further by stating the the Reps want to block people from voting.

Voting is a right that all citizens have and it is their choice to exercise it. People in prisons should not be allowed to vote since they checked themselves out of society when they broke the law. Illegal aliens should not be allowed to vote because they are not citizens.

Now for the folks who have the legal right to vote yet they do not have a photo ID like say a drivers license give them a voter ID card. The Dems will often say that the elderly, many of whom have given up their license but still want to vote will miss out on the chance to. I say months before the election why not go to the nursing homes, take photos and make up ID for them.
Where there is a will there is a way but the Dems like to shout unfair treatment and voting rights denials.

I also think that the voting age should be raised to 21. We guard our 18 year old kids when it comes to buying alcohol so we should guard against them making a uninformed decision at the polls.
I agree about providing the ID cards and they can be good for years. It would end the silly debate and false attacks.......oh wait. That's it. If agreed to and done, it would end false attacks. Now I think I get it.
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Old 02-28-2016, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I agree about providing the ID cards and they can be good for years. It would end the silly debate and false attacks.......oh wait. That's it. If agreed to and done, it would end false attacks. Now I think I get it.
it will never end. There will always be something.

Recall the entire saga.

-They had no money to get an ID.
OK, states created "free" ID's.

-They can't get birth certificates, marriage certificates, etc.
-They have no transportation to get to the DMV to get the ID

And it goes on and on and on.

Just vote by mail if you have zero documents to prove who you are.
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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Isn't it just common sense to require ID, to decide the future of our country? Why not require it? How would it suppress minority turnout?
Then require it to register to vote, in person voter fraud is probably the least amount of voter fraud we will ever have to be concerned about. Requiring a photo ID for something that isn't even an issue is what is called a feel good law because it doesn't actually solve any problems, but it makes you feel good because you think it solves problems.
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:25 PM
 
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Just vote by mail if you have zero documents to prove who you are.
And there you have it, the one thing that makes a photo ID completely useless when voting. A photo ID does nothing to prevent any of the fraud you are most concerned about....
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And there you have it, the one thing that makes a photo ID completely useless when voting. A photo ID does nothing to prevent any of the fraud you are most concerned about....
One illegal in Texas did it for 10 years until she got caught trying to vote twice.

She registered in 2004 and got caught in 2014.

FWIW she voted Republican

She checked the box "yes" on the question of citizenship. That's all it takes to register.
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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One illegal in Texas did it for 10 years until she got caught trying to vote twice.

She registered in 2004 and got caught in 2014.

FWIW she voted Republican

She checked the box "yes" on the question of citizenship. That's all it takes to register.
Yes, you posted that one, a photo ID wouldn't have caught her because she was legally in the US and married to an American. What caught her was the fact that she was first denied being able to register to vote, then later lied and said she was a citizen. If you want to catch people quicker, then I suggest spending more money on people who investigate voter registration applicants to make sure each one is legally allowed to vote.
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