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Originally Posted by geeoro Knife crime is the big problem in the UK. Villians have always been able to get guns but they are used on bank jobs or intergang violence. Kids are now knifing each other at an alarming rate in the UK. Guns can and will always be available if you know where to go. The killings are not from guns but knives.
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Originally Posted by doc1
Someone posted in the UK forum that some politicans were working on a "knife ban".
Was that some kind of UK joke or is that for real?
doc1: Google "U.K. knife ban" and see the direction the U.K. is going.
Bad guys are obtaining their pistols from the black markets from Europe. A "knife ban" would be a joke as anyone with basic tools can make crude but affective knifes and swords.
Maybe someone from the UK can correct me but i believe the..
People in England voted for the gun-ban!
I believe the government has a campaign urging people to hide if..
Someone breaks into their home and not defend themselves.
The laws in the UK can be stupid. Same everywhere i suppose. The UK does not have the same gun culture as America. Americans will never give up their rights to have guns. The UK does have a scewed vision of America as far as guns are concerned. They think that everyone is out shooting everyone else. Mostly obtained from films, media etc. The Police in the UK do have guns. The "bobby" on the beat does not. There are many armed response units and guns can be issued to any police officer who has been trained with firearms. Criminals can get guns easily in "under the counter" sales. Knife crime is now the big problem. If anyone breaks into your home in the UK and you kill them, either with a gun or a knife or even a chair leg, you MUST prove that you used adequate force. This means that if the person invading your home has a knife and you shoot him you will be prosecuted. Only recently we had a guy shoot two thugs who kept breaking into his farmhouse. He was found guilty of murder. Do you ask your invader "what weapons do you have"? so that you can go get the equivalent? A knife ban has been talked about but there is no way it can be implemented. A friend of mine who has a shop had three guys jump over his counter and tried to rob his till. It was a fish and chip shop and he defended himself with a Knife that he used to cut fish etc. He Stabbed one guy in the Butt as he was stealing his takings and turned to run. He had to drop the charges or he would have been arrested himself for assault. Sooo stupid.
I understand that in England some people can get a gun permit for hunting/sport?
Only Rifles are allowed and they must be locked away and the inspector can.. Come check to see they are secured.Is this correct?
I believe you can own an Rifle in Scotland/Ireland/Wales no problem.
To obtain a firearm certificate in the UK, the police must be convinced that a person has "good reason" to own each gun, and that they can be trusted with it "without danger to the public safety or to the peace". Under Home Office guidelines, gun licenses are only issued if a person has legitimate sporting or work-related reasons for owning a gun. Since 1946, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own a gun. The current licensing procedure involves: positive verification of identity, two referees of verifiably good character who have known the applicant for at least two years (and who may themselves be interviewed and/or investigated as part of the certification), approval of the application by the applicant's own family doctor, an inspection of the premises and cabinet where guns will be kept and a face-to-face interview by a Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) also known as a Firearms Liaison Officer (FLO). A thorough background check of the applicant is then made by Special Branch on behalf of the firearms licensing department. Only when all these stages have been satisfactorily completed will a license be issued.
Any person who has spent more than three years in prison is automatically banned for life from obtaining a gun licence.[5]
Any person holding a gun licence must comply with strict conditions regarding such things as safe storage. These storage arrangements are checked by the police before a license is first granted, and on every renewal of the licence. A local police force may impose additional conditions on ownership, over and above those set out by law. Failure to comply with any of these conditions can mean forfeiture of the gun licence and surrender of any firearms to the police.
Doc1, that is why, gun control WILL NOT work. The only way gun control will work is in places like pre-war Germany (1933). Hitler took away the guns from the people to control them and dictate to them what they WILL do.
Maybe someone from the UK can correct me but i believe the..
People in England voted for the gun-ban!
I believe the government has a campaign urging people to hide if..
Someone breaks into their home and not defend themselves.
averagejoe76: I am not from the U.K. but I believe the New Labour Party government of Tony Blair banned handgun possession with the passing of the "Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997" and the "Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997." The people of England didn't vote for the handgun ban. The ban was implemented by parliament on the population.
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Originally Posted by averagejoe76
I believe the government has a campaign urging people to hide if..
Someone breaks into their home and not defend themselves.
Pretty much. Hide in safe room if one can afford one and hope with call to police that they can be rescued in time from haveing their inclosure being breached by bad guys with the banned handguns, swords, knifes, and other potential weapons.
After the Hungerford Massacre, where a guy walked around a small village killing everyone in sight, the gun laws were tightned up. Guns have always been illegal in the UK except for certain exceptions, Farmers, gun clubs, etc. After the massacre there was a amnesty for people to hand in illegal firearms. Illegal guns have and always will be available but now legal guns come under very tight restrictions. This leaves guns in the hands of Criminals and the law abiding safe gun owners have been penalised.
"Chris Huhne, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, said: "Violent crime - including, most alarmingly, gun crime - is still far higher than 10 years ago and has to be tackled much more vigorously."
After the Hungerford Massacre, where a guy walked around a small village killing everyone in sight, the gun laws were tightned up. Guns have always been illegal in the UK except for certain exceptions, Farmers, gun clubs, etc. After the massacre there was a amnesty for people to hand in illegal firearms. Illegal guns have and always will be available but now legal guns come under very tight restrictions. This leaves guns in the hands of Criminals and the law abiding safe gun owners have been penalised.
The man could just have easily used some field fertilizer and a fuse to the same effect. How did 7/7 happen if gun bans decrease violence?
People in the UK don't want to admit that moral relativism is the root casue of social decay. For all the bad press, Asian Londoners have vastly lower rates of crime than White Londoners (nevermind Black Londoners). Could it be the religous observance???
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