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Old 11-17-2015, 01:06 AM
 
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Any class that is a repeat of what was learned in HS.
American History, general Math, basic English, classes that rehash high school classes.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:45 AM
 
Location: USA
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Solution: stop paying $500,000 for a degree in Art History.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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American History, general Math, basic English, classes that rehash high school classes.
Sounds like you're making a push for AP classes.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Perhaps colleges should offer barista classes since that is where so many of the students end up.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sounds like you're making a push for AP classes.
AP classes are a good thing

my Son took the 'eary college high school program', which means he took college corses and high school courses...its a 5 year program...but when he graduated High school, he also had and assocites degree

but the criterior is you have to be smart..work hard..and maintain a 3.0 gpa or better just to stay in the program.....a big advantage( on top of an associates whith your HS diploma) is you get many oppertunities for scholarships for your 4 yr degree
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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Thoughts?
Yeah, do what I did. Work full time grave yard and pay for your own College, health care, car insurance and life.
Don't be a bunch of complaining losers.
Toughen up and work for it.

If you can't, then seek something outside of college like sales.

Nothing gotten easy is appreciated.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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Make colleges get realistic and only require necessary classes. That would cut student debt in half.
Works great if you know what you want to do for a living when you go to college.

Also can be accomplished by going to JUCO for 2 years first at low cost while working. (My friends son did that.)

The college debt thing is partially taking care of itself. My SO's kids are seeing their step-sister unable to live in her own place because of her student loan debt.

Kids heading to college now are typically less clueless about the debt than people that went in the last 10-15 years.
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Old 11-17-2015, 05:59 PM
 
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Yeah, do what I did. Work full time grave yard and pay for your own College, health care, car insurance and life.
Don't be a bunch of complaining losers.
Toughen up and work for it.

If you can't, then seek something outside of college like sales.

Nothing gotten easy is appreciated.
Or maybe Wall Street if they still want things for free.
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Old 11-17-2015, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Before I address this issue, people should realize that there are costs associated with everything, both economic and opportunistic, and often there are externalities associated with each decision we make.

If people want social welfare programs, whatever they may be, there are prices to pay. If you want an abundance of student loans available to anyone that can sign their name to a sheet of paper at interest rates mandated by the government, educational institutions have no incentive to lower the cost of tuition.

Additionally, labor capital being replaced by technology or offshored and outsourced to other countries at lower wage rates will put pressure on wages for decades.

This has been stated numerous times on this forum by people who are much wiser and more knowledgeable than I.

Coming from a military background, I know personal sacrifice and service. My actions supported this country's hypocritical, consumerist, and selfish lifestyle, much to the willful ignorance of its entitled constituents. For my service, I was afforded an education.

Many young people show incredible disdain towards the military, so it is unlikely that they will join, despite their actions, ambitions, and desires requiring military action to ensure their extravagant standard of life. However, if young people are sincere about the progression of this country, there are other potential public service options available.

My solution is to consult with economists specializing in myriad of industries, as well as industry leaders, and other specialists to determine what critical infrastructure needs the United States requires to set itself up for future generations.

Recent graduates could then contractually volunteer for a specified timeline in which their debt would be paid off to the extent dependent on the graduate's perceived economic value.

The volunteers graduating with necessary skillsets such as engineering could take positions under veterans and eventually attain leadership positions based on merit. They could eventually find themselves leading significant projects and really building up a resume. For those who graduate with undesirable skillsets, they could do unskilled jobs, but also have the opportunity for management positions obtained through seniority and merit. As the volunteers obtain leadership positions, there could be renegotiation of their terms as they provide more economic value.

Camps could be set up in whatever location was necessary. The volunteers could receive three square meals a day, and a bed for each person. Women and men would stay in separate camps to prevent disorderly behavior. The volunteers could even plant their own food, and raise goats and chickens. Volunteers would be provided with kettlebells and pull up bars that could be used for recreation and fitness. While under contract, volunteers would receive medical care as well.

Not only would this provide a benefit to the United States, it would also promote solidarity and trust. Additionally, it would create true citizens that care about the welfare of their country and its inhabitants. However, this would require selflessness, discipline, and dedication.

Thoughts?
It does sound like a prison. It sounds like a debtor's prison...which we don't have...there was a tea party in Boston for a reason...but what do we do with those who default on their loans? I don't agree with this for college students/graduates who pay their loans - but what do we do with those who will not?

I don't know the solution. Either way, it seems that the taxpayers get screwed over. They don't want to pay so we give them free camps with free meals and shelter, and give them a free job to help them build their resume? For some, that would be a reward for not following through on a debt that they promised to pay...the taxpayers still have to pick up the tab...and that's what I have a problem with.
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Old 11-17-2015, 06:26 PM
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For some, that would be a reward for not following through on a debt that they promised to pay...the taxpayers still have to pick up the tab....
Like, twice.
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