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Old 11-11-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And Bush gave us, no child left behind... Your point?
NCLB isn't the problem. It's the way schools implemented it. The problem is the move away from tracking. There's been a 5 decades decline in U.S. student achievement because schools abandoned tracking (because it was deemed elitist by lefties ), mix students of all skill/ability levels in the same classrooms, and cater to the lowest performers to meet NCLB requirements. That stalls the academic progress of average and above students, and PISA, etc., test scores bear the sorry evidence of the damage that has done.

If schools would group classes by skill/ability level and target instruction to each class's needs EVERYONE would make more educational progress, exactly like our world class university system operates.

Read and learn, particularly the sections immediately preceding and following "The Incubus Of The Sixties":

The Other Crisis in American Education
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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This is why things are the way they are. Everyone is quick to blame the other party when in truth it's BOTH their faults.
Well, it's awfully quick to blame the other party when your candidate has said that her greatest enemy is the other party.

(oops! Did I say "her"?)
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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Oh please. A million doesn't even get you into the top 1%.
The average household net worth in the U.S. is only $81,000.

However did those 80% of millionaires without rich parents do it?
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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NCLB isn't the problem. It's the way schools implemented it. The problem is the move away from tracking. There's been a 5 decades decline in U.S. student achievement because schools abandoned tracking (because it was deemed elitist by lefties ), mix students of all skill/ability levels in the same classrooms, and cater to the lowest performers to meet NCLB requirements. That stalls the academic progress of average and above students, and PISA, etc., test scores bear the sorry evidence of the damage that has done.

If schools would group classes by skill/ability level and target instruction to each class's needs EVERYONE would make more educational progress, exactly like our world class university system operates.

Schools are passing kids who can't read or do basic math, & all because we don't want them to feel bad about themselves....it was a BAD idea period. I can pick something from either party & show you where it's a bad idea. We are fighting over the most stupid things these days & our government is loving it.
We are going downhill fast.
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Old 11-11-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Schools are passing kids who can't read or do basic math, & all because we don't want them to feel bad about themselves....it was a BAD idea period. I can pick something from either party & show you where it's a bad idea. We are fighting over the most stupid things these days & our government is loving it.
We are going downhill fast.
Oh, I agree. But that was precipitated by a 5 decades decline in the quality of our K-12 public schools because grouping students by ability/skill level was deemed "elitist" by lefties. You reap what you sow. We have EXACTLY what elitist leftie Gruber (employed by a PRIVATE university) described... "stupidity of the American voter."
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Old 11-11-2015, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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So the "sensible ones" are libertarians?

As a general rule, the more educated a person is, the more ideological that person becomes. People who aren't ideological(IE moderates), are usually the most politically ignorant of all.

Not only are they ignorant of political theory, they are ignorant of economic theory, history, etc. Your "sensible people", in my opinion, are those people whose opinions are easily molded by the media, through what amounts to propaganda. Of course, they are most easily manipulated through the two controlling forces of Democracy, "Fear and greed".

If you scare them, they are putty in your hands. If you promise them special-privileges, they are putty in your hands.


With that said, I'm not even mad at moderates. Moderates are people with actual things going on in their lives. They have jobs, and families, they don't have all day long to sit around reading political theory and history.

They imagine themselves as "sensible", because they fall somewhere between the "far-left" and the "far-right". But lets understand, these designations are completely arbitrary. The political middle in this country is not "static"(it changes over time), and is quite a bit different than the political middle in other countries. To pretend that being a moderate is in any way "sensible", proves just how ignorant and deluded moderates really are.


Go get brainwashed by the media, statists.
I'm not saying sensible equals moderate. There are plenty of sensible people with generally conservative or generally liberal views.

Look at all of the race baiting that has been going on lately in the media, and in many public forums (such as CD P&OC.) Both the far right and the far left want to keep animosity between whites and people of color as high as possible. They claim that if the other side "got their way" that their way of life is doomed. Yet what both the far right and the far left fear more than anything else are whites and people of color working together. Being able to do so effectively destroys both of their positions, and thus their power.

That's what I mean by the "sensible ones." Those in power don't like them, yet most people would be in that group if it weren't for manipulation by others.
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Old 11-11-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Look at all of the race baiting that has been going on lately in the media, and in many public forums (such as CD P&OC.) Both the far right and the far left want to keep animosity between whites and people of color as high as possible.
Honestly, the whole race thing, is nothing but a proxy for other issues. And it has very little to do with actual far-left or far-right ideology, it is just a means to an end. This forum is constituted mostly of a bunch of ignorant partisans, who don't honestly have a real political ideology. They just want to point their finger at the "other team", and blame them for everything.

If you mention the word Republican favorably, all the Democrats will line up to criticize whatever you say, without much thought, and by simply repeating talking-points that they don't actually understand. And the Republicans do exactly the same thing in reverse.

Also, whatever happens with the economy, the Democrats take credit if it is good news, and blame the Republicans if it is bad news. And the Republicans take credit if it is good news, and blame Democrats if it is bad news.

The vast majority of the people in this forum aren't here to have a rational discussion. They are here to play politics, and to convince other people to think like they do. And they don't actually care about being honest, or consistent. They just want what they want.


The reason the far-right seems so critical of "blacks" for instance. Is because 96% of blacks vote Democrat. And as the demographics of this country become "less-white", you are seeing a shift to the "political left". Thus to whatever extent that the political right appears racist, it is nothing more than a protection mechanism for people who believe that the cultural shift that will result, will make us less-free, and less-safe(and just generally worse).

And the far-left, swoops in to defend blacks, not because they have some true interest in the well-being of blacks. But rather, because blacks are useful as a tool to expand their influence. Real liberals are overwhelming white and middle-class. In a different world, they would be the enemy of blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc. And they would see these people as hopelessly religious, conservative, homophobic, among other things. They are nothing but a convenient ally, to form the coalition they need to gain a majority of the vote. And thus, to allow them to acquire and maintain political power.


Be careful about looking at what seems to be "on the surface", without looking to see what actually is underneath.


Let me say, I would ordinarily be classified as the "far-right". But Marx's theory of history is almost entirely true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%2...ory_of_history

But as I always say, it is far easier to make observations, than to give solutions or make predictions. Marx's solutions are crap, and his predictions are questionable at best(they might ultimately turn out to be true, but the specific path he predicted didn't happen).

The truth is, the world isn't run on ideology, or freedom, or democracy, or righteousness, or anything else. Everything is about power. And the entire world is centralizing, and has been centralizing since at least Charlemagne. The real power brokers, are the multinational corporations, and the international bankers. What seem to be the "real issues", are nothing but proxy battles between economic interests.

Not only are governments centralizing power, but the entire world political system is centralizing power. All the world's economies are "integrating", because capitalism is by its nature "international". The goal is to create an entirely global economy, which will necessitate international organizations to regulate and police this global economy, with a world's policeman to enforce the "international rules/norms". But obviously, such a system would violate any sense of national sovereignty.

Thus, the final goal cannot be achieved until you destroy national borders. Which also requires the destruction of religion, the destruction of culture, and a complete dependency of the people on their governments(so they won't rebel, and will do as the state tells them).


Marx was correct. Capitalism and democracy will lead to international socialism. What he doesn't explain, is that socialism is garbage, and our leaders will always be scumbags. Only naive children would think otherwise.

The political right in this country, are people pushing the American Empire(IE American Imperialism, economic globalism). And the political left in this country, are people pushing socialism(state-dependency, secularism, cultural destruction). Put them together, and the future sucks.


Sometimes when I talk about these things, it practically brings a tear to my eye. But there doesn't seem to be a way to get off this train. I hate you all.
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