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Old 10-19-2015, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Originally Posted by El Nox View Post
Vermont.

El Nox
See later apology. Thanks for the correction. Oops! Answered first before I read your post, El Nox. My apology is above my response to your post.

Last edited by lorrysda; 10-19-2015 at 07:24 AM..

 
Old 10-19-2015, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I don't see anything in our Constitution that outlaws socialism and/or programs to help people. In fact, the US Constitution is silent on economic systems. Social programs instituted by a freely-elected government for the benefit of the people are within the Constitution boundaries.
Exactly! The Constitution also states, Amendment X, States Rights [Section 1.] "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Proposed September 25, 1789, ratified December 15, 1791.

That means the Federal Government is not authorized to delve into economic systems, Social programs instituted by a freely-elected government for the benefit of the people...those rights are under States and citizens rights!

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We don't have enough of them. While the rich 1% float around on one of their ten yachts, others go with food and shelter because they've been displaced from their jobs...or because they are being paid slave wages with no benefits.
Then you should take your case(s) to whatever State...NOT Federal! The Federal Government has far overstepped it's Constitutional boundaries for way too long. This country would not have a huge percent of the problems we have if we could corral the Federal Government and keep them involved ONLY within the limits the Constitution gives them. It is the States that should handle all the rest of whatever problems, needs and/or requirements are in existence within their States. There are a few problems that all States experience across the board, but for the most part each State has it's own individual and different problems that need to be addressed. One of the next biggest problems the Federal constantly creates (both within and outside of their Constitutional limits) is trying to make "one size fits all" for the whole country. Very seldom is that appropriate. What "might" help in one small area usually causes gross destructive trouble in the rest. Not a workable solution. That's why our forefathers with their incredible foresight restricted the Federal Government, giving the over-all authority to citizens and States.

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Old 10-19-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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How would you feel about Vermont electing him?

You know, the people that actually did?
Let’s remember a few of his favorite proposals from the past.
He was one of the founding members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. He’s warned colleagues against being too friendly to the interests of corporate America, criticizing the close ties between some Democrats and Wall Street. He supports Obamacare but would elect to go further and institute a single-payer healthcare system. He’s proposed a $1 trillion infrastructure funding bill. He’s called for a $15 dollar an hour minimum wage, far exceeding President Obama’s proposal to hike the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour. He’s proposed expanding Social Security benefits and paying for it by raising taxes.

Sanders still gets an F from the NRA on gun control, though curiously he has voted on the right side of some Second Amendment issues, leading observers to call him the Second Amendment Socialist. He’s called for the seizure and nationalization of the oil and gas industry, and wants to break up the banks. The guy is so far to the Left that he wouldn’t even officially associate himself with the Democrats until he decided to run for President.
What’s the point of all this? Look… I understand that cable news has a lot of hours to fill every day, but continuing to treat Bernie Sanders as a legitimate challenger to Hillary Clinton and a viable candidate for the presidency is a disservice to the public. The man couldn’t be elected anywhere outside of Vermont and it’s time to lump him in with Vermin Supreme where he belongs.

Bernie Sanders: A 90% tax rate sounds fine to me « Hot Air
 
Old 10-19-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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Only because it is completely unworkable.... Geezeee, get a clue...
Funny how now the "old white dude" is back in style with the progressive left.
 
Old 10-19-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by lorrysda View Post
Exactly! The Constitution also states, Amendment X, States Rights [Section 1.] "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." Proposed September 25, 1789, ratified December 15, 1791.

That means the Federal Government is not authorized to delve into economic systems, Social programs instituted by a freely-elected government for the benefit of the people...those rights are under States and citizens rights!

Then you should take your case(s) to whatever State...NOT Federal! The Federal Government has far overstepped it's Constitutional boundaries for way too long. This country would not have a huge percent of the problems we have if we could corral the Federal Government and keep them involved ONLY within the limits the Constitution gives them. It is the States that should handle all the rest of whatever problems, needs and/or requirements are in existence within their States. There are a few problems that all States experience across the board, but for the most part each State has it's own individual and different problems that need to be addressed. One of the next biggest problems the Federal constantly creates (both within and outside of their Constitutional limits) is trying to make "one size fits all" for the whole country. Very seldom is that appropriate. What "might" help in one small area usually causes gross destructive trouble in the rest. Not a workable solution. That's why our forefathers with their incredible foresight restricted the Federal Government, giving the over-all authority to citizens and States.

More senseless fist pounding from the right.

Our federal government provides thousands of programs that behoove us. Agricultural Inspection, Air Pollution Control, Library of Congress, Nursing Assistance, Railroad Safety, Water Quality, highways, bridges are only a few. But in order to see the benefits, you have to think with a mind that isn't focused solely on yourself and your own needs.

Did you know that Jonas Salk profited nothing on his Polio Vaccine? He gave it to humanity because we needed it. Imagine that? He just freely gave what could have profited him billions. What Hero Salk did was a very socialist thing. Shame on him? No, we need more like him.
 
Old 10-19-2015, 10:50 AM
 
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See later apology. Thanks for the correction. Oops! Answered first before I read your post, El Nox. My apology is above my response to your post.
I hope that I only make major errors (unlike your totally trivial one) ... apology accepted but certainly not required.

El Nox
 
Old 10-19-2015, 10:53 AM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
Trump. He can't be bought. Has no axes to grind. Hasn't lied that I know of.
He really hasn't said much of anything of substance. (No lies, but no truths either. No substance)
 
Old 10-19-2015, 10:55 AM
 
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Did you know that Jonas Salk profited nothing on his Polio Vaccine? He gave it to humanity because we needed it. Imagine that? He just freely gave what could have profited him billions. What Hero Salk did was a very socialist thing. Shame on him? No, we need more like him.
WOW ... Jonas Salk was a socialist? Alzhiemers is only supposed to affect short term memory. Apparently my version does the same for the long term. I feel very proud that knowledgeable people are there to remind me of the past.

El Nox
 
Old 10-19-2015, 11:00 AM
 
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All I have seen is that you can donate on his website: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ Where you can find his stand on the issues, etc. also.

He is offered a lot that he turns down from the ones that want to buy a piece of Trump in case he gets elected and he is turning those contributions down.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/ Unless Bernie has found a way to grow money on trees, he fails. I found no solid job plan. He wants free college tuition when we already have people graduating that can't find jobs. He wants to work on our infrastructure and create jobs by doing this BUT we require tax dollars to do this and a lot of people can barely pay taxes now. He is just an out-of-touch old hippie.

Who wants to elect a guy that isn't sure if he does or doesn't want the job of POTUS? He has stalled too long at this point.

Of all the possible candidates, she is the worst.

Trump's contributions: Meet the people donating to Donald Trump's campaign - POLITICO

Hillary: Too morally incompetent. Bernie: Old hippie still hoping to find "Utopia" Trump: A patriotic American
So many correct responses and I have so few keystrokes to use (the 'finite keystroke principle' a al 'finite heartbeat').

I would say that I need another beer for the finite bits, but then again maybe I don't.

El Nox
 
Old 10-19-2015, 11:06 AM
 
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