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Old 10-17-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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You are the child of an immigrant. You and your family are no different than Mexicans who come here to find the same thing.

Was your dad educated or was he fleeing his country with a hope to find a better life for his family?
There is a difference in whether an "immigrant" comes here legally or illegally. Are you this misinformed and clueless? Doesn't matter why an immigrant comes here. The only thing that matters is they do so according to our laws.
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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That's it! At least one parent has to be a legal US citizen.
No they don't
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The justice who wrote the opinion for the court’s majority, was fully aware that its implications went far beyond the Chinese. As the justice who authored the majority opinion in U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark wrote, “to hold that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution excludes from citizenship the children, born in the United States, of citizens or subjects of other countries would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.”United States v. Wong Kim Ark
Donald Trump meet Wong Kim Ark, the Chinese American cook who is the father of ‘birthright citizenship’ - The Washington Post
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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I think the DOJ and DHS need to make a statement on this Mexican metricula card.
Either it is or it isn't a valid form of ID.
This decision really needs to come from the top at the Fed level.
And that will open up a whole new can of worms......
Yep, I agree
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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hey people on the left who believe that we should follow other countries standards.

only 30, of the 194 nations of the world, give birthright citizenship status, shouldnt we be "progressive", and join the rest of the world, or is this "different"?

And many of those that do, reside in south america, not Europe, which you guys like to hold up as standards for the world.

Shouldnt we deny birthright citizenship just like they do? After all, they are your utopia examples non stop used..
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:50 PM
 
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1989 Supreme Court case, United States vs Wong Kim Ark

"The Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment affirmed the traditional jus soli rule, including the exceptions of children born to foreign diplomats, to hostile occupying forces or on foreign public ships, and added a new exception of children of Indians owing direct allegiance to their tribes. It further held that the 'Fourteenth Amendment ... has conferred no authority upon Congress to restrict the effect of birth, declared by the Constitution to constitute a sufficient and complete right to citizenship' and that it is 'throughout affirmative and declaratory, intended to allay doubts and settle controversies which had arisen, and not to impose any new restrictions upon citizenship."

In other words, the 14th Amendment excludes children born to diplomats or hostile occupying forces and those born on foreign public ships.

If it excluded diplomats, then why wouldnt it exclude non diplomats as well?
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:52 PM
 
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I'd rather have 200 kids born in America to illegal Mexican immigrants than 5 babies born to some legal, lazy, law breaking Americans. Mexicans are largely hard workers and good additions to our economy. Those who hate these people are truly clueless.
I'd rather have neither but children born from American citizens have the right of birthright citizenship. Foreigners who thumbed their noses at our immigration laws, Mexican or not, don't deserve to have our citizenship bestowed on their kids. WTH does being a hard worker have to do with anything? Most Americans are hard workers. It is you who is the hater. You hate Americans. We merely oppose (not hate) illegal immigration into our country and rightly so! You are the clueless one as to how harmful illegal immigration is to our own citizens but some how I don't think you give a damn anyway. Ethnic ties perhaps or maybe you hire illegal aliens to fatten your wallet?
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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I'd rather have neither but children born from American citizens have the right of birthright citizenship. Foreigners who thumbed their noses at our immigration laws, Mexican or not, don't deserve to have our citizenship bestowed on their kids. WTH does being a hard worker have to do with anything? Most Americans are hard workers. It is you who is the hater. You hate Americans. We merely oppose (not hate) illegal immigration into our country and rightly so! You are the clueless one as to how harmful illegal immigration is to our own citizens but some how I don't think you give a damn anyway. Ethnic ties perhaps or maybe you hire illegal aliens to fatten your wallet?
I don't agree, but how do I argue against irrational prejudice and hate? Your mind is made up, Oldglory.
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Old 10-17-2015, 03:56 PM
 
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If a baby is born in a Texas hospital, easy to prove to authorities by the way, she or he is an American citizen regardless of the birth parents' legal status. That is the law of the country.
No, it's not according to the wording of the 14th Amendment. There is a qualifying phrase in it "and" subject to the jurisdiction. Illegal aliens nor their offspring are under our full jurisdiction. It has merely been a PC practice to deem them as citizens at birth. The Constitution does not back that up. It's all going to change and soon so get your crying towel ready.
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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No, it's not according to the wording of the 14th Amendment. There is a qualifying phrase in it "and" subject to the jurisdiction. Illegal aliens nor their offspring are under our full jurisdiction. It has merely been a PC practice to deem them as citizens at birth. The Constitution does not back that up. It's all going to change and soon so get your crying towel ready.
I'm not so sure of that, the Supreme Court would interprete "jursidiction" to possibly mean jursidiction under the US borders, thereby changing their previous ruling on the issue.

They have definately moved to be more open, over the last 100+ years.
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:02 PM
 
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No, it's not according to the wording of the 14th Amendment. There is a qualifying phrase in it "and" subject to the jurisdiction. Illegal aliens nor their offspring are under our full jurisdiction. It has merely been a PC practice to deem them as citizens at birth. The Constitution does not back that up. It's all going to change and soon so get your crying towel ready.
This is what the Supreme Court decision says, sorry you don't like it- I get that, but you can't devise some made up reason why it doesn't count, it does:

"the majority opinion in U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark wrote, “to hold that the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution excludes from citizenship the children, born in the United States, of citizens or subjects of other countries would be to deny citizenship to thousands of persons of English, Scotch, Irish, German, or other European parentage who have always been considered and treated as citizens of the United States.”United States v. Wong Kim Ark"
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