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Old 10-15-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No, I'm making the claim that when the location of individuals who are known enemies is known that targeting them by drone is a far better choice than invading/occupying the country where they're located in order to get at them?

Are you making the claim that manned aircraft don't "kill indiscriminately"?

This obsession people have with drones as if they're not under human control and act autonomously and kill more indiscriminately than manned aircraft is silly.
Who has made that claim? I didn't see anyone being obsessive about autonomy. Stretching the truth much?


More than 5000 people have been killed by executive order, using drones, including Americans.


Are you saying 5000 people deserved to be slaughtered?

Are you approving of completely ignoring due process for citizens?

Are you saying that it's better to murder Americans who are suspected of being terrorists, rather than capturing and trying them in court?



It sounds that way to many in here.



I'd bet you support the trade for Bergdahl as well.
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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Who has made that claim? I didn't see anyone being obsessive about autonomy. Stretching the truth much?


More than 5000 people have been killed by executive order, using drones, including Americans.


Are you saying 5000 people deserved to be slaughtered?

Are you approving of completely ignoring due process for citizens?

Are you saying that it's better to murder Americans who are suspected of being terrorists, rather than capturing and trying them in court?

I'll bet you support the trade for Bergdahl as well.... right?

It sounds that way to many in here.
You don't even have to capture them. You can try them in absentia.
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You don't even have to capture them. You can try them in absentia.
Oh, okay.

So you support ignoring habeas corpus and legal representation.

Now I feel much better.

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You folks cry either way, we don't do anything in the Middle East y'all get a hard on for Putin. We try and do something, y'all get a hard on for Putin. Either way conservatives love ex kgb guys.
...and you don't have a clue how ridiculous you sound. I'd say you, and the few who might believe as you think they do, are about equal on the insanity scale.
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Old 10-15-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Oh, okay.

So you support ignoring habeas corpus and legal representation.

Now I feel much better.
I can only click back and shake my head in disbelief sometimes.

You do understand that there is legal representation and habeas corpus will be enacted, the accused just won't show up.

Ira Einhorn was tried in absentia......Do you have a problem with that?

The family of Anwar al-Awlaki begged and begged for a trial for him even though he would not be present but were turned down.

You need to slow down and understand what you are replying to.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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And conservatives would prefer the full scale invasion/occupation of entire countries rather than targeting individuals who deserve it . The 'kill 'em all' philosophy is soooo much better for the MIC's coffers, eh?
Is this a tacit approval of Obama's drone wars, burdell?
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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And conservatives would prefer the full scale invasion/occupation of entire countries rather than targeting individuals who deserve it . The 'kill 'em all' philosophy is soooo much better for the MIC's coffers, eh?
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Are you making the claim that drones don't kill indiscriminately? Thousands of victims and countless loved ones would disagree with you.
And who "deserves it"?



I thought it was just an apologetic for the assassinations.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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Should be interesting to watch were this goes. We all know assassination, by definition, is illegal.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers
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Technology changes things.


Shouldn't change the principle though.
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Old 10-15-2015, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Invasions/occupations result in spending much more money on the products supplied by industries owned by conservatives. Our military is not designed for fighting WARS but as an excuse for endless corporate welfare.
Then why doesn't Obama bring the troops home? Is it because he's a conservative.
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Old 10-15-2015, 03:05 PM
 
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I was not in favor of the Iraq war.

I'm also not in favor of deposing leaders in the Middle East so radical Islamists can establish a Caliphate, which appears to be Obama's goal.
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Old 10-15-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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...and you don't have a clue how ridiculous you sound. I'd say you, and the few who might believe as you think they do, are about equal on the insanity scale.
I just call it how I see it. You got conservatives crying about spending who want to spend to kill and destroy. You got conservatives who will say the sky is green if Obama says it blue.

Let's be honest, the issue with drones is that Obama is the one in charge.
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